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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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Doin' The Dalles
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| Charles wrote: | | I was impressed by the conciliatory tone of your message and especially appreciated the part where you said; "My true desire is for everyone to be respectful and get along." That is the exact message that I'd like to bring to you and the folks at nwkite.com. |
Who would have thought this quote would be directed at Monkeyboy?  We can all get along. Case in point; Amery Bernard boosting while Capt. America enjoys the show from the beach.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 9:49 am |
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I would like to adress the comment that there is no nudity on the west end of the beach, this is not correct. The entire island is clothing optional. My family was sitting on the western most portion of the beach that had wadeable water.
In terms of the effects that sectioning of a portion of the beach would have; I'm sure that this would be viewed as a threat or attempt to slowly eliminate all the nude beach areas as I'm quite certain there are many people that object to nudity because they are a bit too puritanical or prudish. The only other impact I could possibly imagine is that people would have to walk farther to get to the nude portion of the beach. I don't see this as too much of an issue however as the vast majority congregate on the eastern portions already.
I don't invision all the nudist huddled between two signs 100 yards apart. It would be nice however to have a couple hundred yards of beach that could be used by people that choose not to be naked or be exposed to naked people.
Naked and clothed uses are not mutually exclusive to some people, but they ate mutually exclusive to others. As much as I, a non nude beach users acknowledges that nude sunbathers have their rights to enjoy the beach, it would be nice to have a nude bather acknowledge that clothed bathers have an equal right. I believe this would go much farther than trying to convince people who don't desire to be exposed to nude people tht there is nothing wrong with it.
It's not about trying to convince me that it's ok, I already think it's fine. But as a parent and husband, I have a duty to protect my family from situations that could result in negative impacts. I'm fairly sure that it's no big deal but still, there is a risk of things being misunderstood by my children or someone not acting appropriately or illegal. The effects of inappropriate sexually behavior can be extremely damaging and I would simply prefer not take the risk. That is simply one of the responsibilities that a parent has. I am not raising my kids in a bubble or trying to make their world completely risk free (and anyone that knows me would probably agree) but it's hard to be free and easy and "it's all good" when your a parent, at least it is for me.
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mxwllms
Since 26 Jul 2006
110 Posts
Boring, Or
Stoked
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 10:47 am |
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| Nazi's
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Campbell
Since 07 Sep 2008
409 Posts
Camas, WA
Obsessed
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 10:48 am |
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Now there's a mature response. 
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mxwllms
Since 26 Jul 2006
110 Posts
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 10:54 am |
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| your damn right it is.... i cant beleive im the first nudist to say it!! Nak reminded me that it would be the perfect response
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4297 Posts
Camas
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 11:03 am |
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Yeah, you're right. The Nazi's were all about sharing, unlike you who hate anybody who disagrees with you. 
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mxwllms
Since 26 Jul 2006
110 Posts
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 11:14 am |
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I mostly just dislike you and other people who cry about naked men and windsurfiers... i guess thats just the nature of kiters tho.... at least your cool with your huge silly shirts
and why is it the mission of the kiters to eliminate everything but kiting... and you say i hate anyone who disagrees with me......
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Shirley
Since 20 Aug 2010
3 Posts
Oregon
Kook
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 11:52 am |
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It is my experience that whether a beach is textile or a clothing optional beach you will find inappropriate behaviors and observe folks you do not particularly choose to be around.
When we talk about nudists and textiles (my choice of word to describe those that choose to wear clothing) sharing recreational areas that is a challenging conversation. Nudists in the Pacific Northwest have one State Park to recreate nude and that is Rooster Rock. Nudists travel miles and drive hours to visit Rooster Rock. The last www.aanr.com sponsored beach cleanup included nudists who drove from as far away as Seattle, WA. Medford, OR., Shelton, WA and Springfield, Oregon not to recreate but to do trail work and litter patrols. Textiles have multiple State Parks to choose from.
Yes, we are very protective of Rooster Rock and having a safe place where we bring our families to recreate nude. We contribute to the beach by financially supporting the beach cards you can obtain at the park office, support the beach cleanups and advocate for appropriate behaviors.
Anyone entering the beach from the East parking area walks right by the clothing optional sign. It is surprising to me that hunting is also allowed in the area and yet we seem to get along.
Those of us who have been recreating at Rooster Rock Park for decades are protective. However, I am having a difficult time understanding how a family visits a clothing optional beach and then complains about seeing people who have chose not to wear suits. Textiles have a choice to elsewhere while we nudists are limited to bringing our families to Rooster Rock.
My dream would be to see as much energy spent addressing illegal camping, picking up litter and reminding visitors that dogs are not allowed on this portion of the beach.
SOLV (www.solv.org) work party on September 25. Gather at the East bathrooms at 9 a.m.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4297 Posts
Camas
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 12:23 pm |
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Hi again Shirley!
Great post & I understand your position I think. It's only normal to protect what you have. What I'd like to know is how setting aside a portion of the beach for "textiles" would negatively impact your experience? Or are you mainly worried about the domino effect? From your post, I don't think you understand how limited the beach options are for textiles most of the year on the East side. I can get in my boat in Camas and head East, and most of the year Rooster is the ONLY decent beach.
I haven't brought my kids to Rooster because of the clothing optional position, so I'm not complaining about them seeing naked men. I've used Rooster myself, a lot, and I personally have no problems with the nudists. That wasn't always the case, but after I took some time to get to know a few I realized my opinions were based on judging the whole by the actions of a few. I have witnessed behavior that would clearly be illegal anywhere but Rooster, and I'm not talking about just walking about naked. I CAN'T take my kids friends to Rooster, I would almost certainly be sued for exposing them to some of the activity that is widely known to happen there.
From my conversations with nudists at Rooster, I've come to two conclusions. 1. Most nudists are great people who just have a slightly different view of things than I do. That's cool. I love to travel, and meeting people with different world views than mine is the main reason. I love diversity abroad, and I love this area for the diversity found here. 2. Most nudists I've met are as intolerant of the less than savory people at Rooster Rock as I am. Perhaps more so, as it is the nudist use of Rooster that is threatened by these people.
The question is how to stop certain behavior at Rooster Rock that is almost universally abhorred by nudists and textiles alike. I know how it's dealt with in Europe and Australia, and that wouldn't work here. On an Australian or European clothing optional beach, if a man comes up to a family and exposes himself, he'll get the sh*& beat out of him. And the police won't be very sympathetic with the gentleman. Here, that behavior (beating up a perv) will get you sued and thrown in jail. I don't believe in violence as an answer anyway. So that leaves creating boundaries.
Does nudity on the trails really enhance you experience? Or would disrobing at the beach be OK? How much beach would have to be converted to textile use before it would negatively impact your experience? Why? I hope you take these questions in the light of which they are meant, that I'd really like to understand your viewpoint.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4297 Posts
Camas
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 12:33 pm |
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Kite,
| kite wrote: | I mostly just dislike you and other people who cry about naked men and windsurfiers... i guess thats just the nature of kiters tho.... at least your cool with your huge silly shirts
and why is it the mission of the kiters to eliminate everything but kiting... and you say i hate anyone who disagrees with me...... |
Some quotes of mine from this forum:
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Last Pic shows Kite beach here. On a busy day there are people launching & landing Kayaks, windsurfers and Kites. There are beginner & experienced Kiteboarders and windsurfers, all launching from the same small area. Sunbathers & swimmers are everywhere. Kiteboarders remain 200 feet or more from shore unless launching or landing. Everyone is friendly and lends a hand when needed. Even windsurfers who don't kite have learned to launch and land kites... It seems like a nuthouse at peak times, but it all works very well. |
| Nak wrote: | | Kailua/Lanikai. Windsurfers and Kiters live in harmony there. When it's windy, it's paradise. |
| Nak wrote: |
Most nudists are great people who just have a slightly different view of things than I do. That's cool. I love to travel, and meeting people with different world views than mine is the main reason. I love diversity abroad, and I love this area for the diversity found here. |
I guess I fail to see why you think I want to "eliminate everything but kiting" and "cry about naked men and windsurfiers" (Your spelling...) And it seems "you hate anyone who disagrees with you" because you call people "Nazis" for simply expressing their views about sharing. Views you don't agree with. The difference is, nobody has attacked you or called you names for expressing your views, even though you expressed those views in a hostile, irrational and completely intolerant manner. Apparently it angers you that you can't rationally defend your viewpoint.
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Reaper356
Since 10 Dec 2006
781 Posts
Salem / LC Oregon
Opinionated
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 12:34 pm |
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| This thread is getting old ... Slingshot is better than Best!
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scottman
Since 08 Jun 2007
150 Posts
hillsboro
Stoked
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blancoh2o
Since 15 Mar 2005
1154 Posts
Oregon
Phishy
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 6:48 pm |
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I have been enjoying this post on several fronts. 1. I like to hear everyone's viewpoints. 2. It is nice to see that you all are playing nice....well most of you. 3. There is healthy discussion going on and there maybe some solutions in the future that can keep the majority happy. 4. http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-10539-0-asc-0.html 5. See, we all can get along.
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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
694 Posts
Chucktown
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
483 Posts
Obsessed
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 7:31 pm |
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RR is clothing optional and you know that going in, if you want to take your family to the beach and kite then go to the coast.....Get over it
Kiters have how many options relative to nudists???
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 7:42 pm |
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That's a GREAT idea K4L the pacific ocean on the Oregon coast is a fantastic place for a 4 year old to swim!! Gee, why didn't I think of that. And...it's just as close to Portland as rooster rock is
To those that somehow scored low in the reading comprehension department, I realize it's a nude beach, and duh, I see the signs. I think it would be nice for a section of the beach to not be for nudists.
The funny thing is tht NOBODY has given a reason why a portion shouldn't be for clothed bathers... Cause it's the only nude beach state park? It still would be!!
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
483 Posts
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 7:51 pm |
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Uhh,yeah. Good reasoning.
A group of individuals that is allready very limited in access should give up a piece of their allready relatively small real estate because your family doesnt feel it has enough room to recreate....good luck
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