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mikeinhoodriver
Since 23 Apr 2009
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down wind somewhere
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I say we make the sandbar clothes-less!  |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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Da Hood & Da Wood
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 8:58 am |
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| mikeinhoodriver wrote: | | I say we make the sandbar clothes-less! |
Or dog-less! 
(jk - just stirrin the pot... ) |
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Shirley
Since 20 Aug 2010
3 Posts
Oregon
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 11:33 am |
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I have been recreating nude at Rooster Rock since the 70's. No one in the 70's new what a kite was! At one time the entire park was clothing optional. Rooster Rock Clothing Optional beach is the only nude beach in a state park in the entire US. There are other legally sanctioned nude beaches but none located in a State Park. Oregon is rather special in that the Portland area has two legal nude beaches. The other Collins Beach on Sauvie Island managed by the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Department.
How about joining nudists and other volunteers for a SOLV (www.solv.org) Rooster Rock beach cleanup/work day. Join the Rooster Rock park staff on September 25th starting at 9 a.m. Volunteers will be gathering by the restrooms at 9 a.m. Contributing back is a great way to support this beach.
To report inappropriate behaviors (simply nudity is not against the law at a designated clothing optional beach) you can pick up a "welcome to the beach card" at the park office. The cards include the phone numbers of public officials who are attentive to addressing our concerns on the beach. Please report illegal camping as the litter left by campers is a lot of work.
Bring on the sunshine,
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Zonker
Since 20 Aug 2010
1 Posts
Portland
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 12:03 pm No change to be made at nude boundary |
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I just spoke with the Park Manager at Rooster, who assured me that there will be NO change to the nude boundary at the park. The District Manager only listened to someone's concern.
The Parks Dept recognizes nudists as a legitimate user group at Rooster Rock.
Nudists at Rooster have no problem sharing the beach with any user group who obeys park rules and accepts our right to be there. Merely being nude is not the problem. As with any group, there are some who break the rules. That is why the American Association for Nude Recreation works with the Parks Dept to educate people on park rules. We created signage and beach cards that explain indecency laws and how to report problems. You can ask any ranger for the cards, or get them at the park office. We want to make the beach safe for everyone. In the past few years nudist families have returned to the beach. The community is getting healthier.
We host regular beach cleanups with our partners SOLV and Columbia Riverkeeper. Well over a ton of trash has been removed. We also help the park rangers to maintain the trails you use to get to the beach. Notice the sand covering the mud on the Dragonfly trail? Yeah, that was us. Our local group is called the Friends of Rooster-Sauvie, and we'd like to meet anyone with a friendly attitude. We believe in everyone's right to enjoy just being in your own skin, nothing sexual. We can be reached at rooster.sauvie@yahoo.com if you have any questions.
So if you have a problem out there, report it! Trying to take away another group's right to use an area is not going to work. Yes, the beach is big, so there's always a spot where you don't have to be face to face with nudity. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it. So let's all be adults and learn to get along. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 12:25 pm |
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Shirley, Thanks for the info!  |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 12:49 pm |
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Zonker, I hope you realize it wasn't the intention of the OP, or most of us on here, to "Take away" Rooster as a nude beach. However, there are a number of users here and elsewhere who would like to see a "non-nude" beach as well. I personally would love to hear your concerns as to how this would negatively impact the nudist community.
I use this section of the river on a year round basis, and at certain times of the year RR is the only decent beach available. It is also the safest beach for children and non-swimmers on the Columbia.
I respect and support your right to have a clothing optional beach here. When I'm by myself or with other adults I have no problem using the entire beach. However when children are present, I would like to have the option of taking them to a beach where clothes are not optional. I know many nudists take their children to nude beaches and consider them "Family Friendly" however I would ask that you respect my right to raise my children in a more conventional manner, as I respect your right to do differently.
What I would like to hear from you is how setting aside a portion of this wonderful beach for conventional clothing standards would detract from the nudist experience. Years of experience have shown that Rooster Rock is BY FAR the least crowded beach on the river. I would like to hear your justification for crowding the majority of river users on to a few small beaches while maintaining the largest, most beautiful beach for a small minority? I'm not trying to be offensive, I would really like to hear your views.
Historically, Rooster Rock has had BOTH clothed and clothing optional beaches. As the river has changed, the clothed section disappeared. I believe it is time to restructure the boundaries to take this into account. I would propose that the Cove behind the island, all the land south of the island, and the East half of the island, be clothing optional, and the rest used as a conventional beach. West of the island would be clothed, including the trails. This is roughly a 50 - 50 distribution of beach at low water. When considering total land mass the nude section would be far larger. At high water the nude beach would be much, much larger than the clothed beach. Personal observation leads me to believe that the nude section would still be the least crowded beach on the river. In other words, the nudist user group would still enjoy the largest amount of beach space per user than any other user group.
Not to be rude, but we don't have to accept the current status quo as per your assertion. There are avenues to move towards change. I would much rather work with ALL user groups and make changes that everyone can live with. That's always the best. If my proposal seems onerous to you, just tell me why?
EDITED to add detail to my proposed boundary change.
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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Still a gojo pimp!
Moto Mouth
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 1:21 pm Re: No change to be made at nude boundary |
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| Zonker wrote: | | So let's all be adults and learn to get along. |
Problem is Zonker, not everyone is an adult. Most people's complaint is about exposing their children to nudity. And potentially other sexual acts.
Having grown men expose themselves to young children is offensive to many, many people. Evidence of this fact is that there are very strict laws that prevent this type of behavior. You flash your genitals to a young girl - guess what, you are now a sex offender - branded for life.
Other people want to use the beach and not expose their children to this. The clothing section got washed away.
As for going to a differnt part of the beach to avoid the naked people - not possible with guys like Rocky who purposely sit in front of the trail so that he can expose himself to everyone that comes out of the trail. He's not the only one.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 2:05 pm |
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BTW, NAK isn't short for NAKed!
Just thought I'd point that out first... |
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kitemare
Since 23 Mar 2010
265 Posts
Seattle, wa
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 7:34 pm |
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| Nak wrote: | BTW, NAK isn't short for NAKed!
Just thought I'd point that out first... |
Yes it is, you're only kidding yourself
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| Fri Aug 20, 10 9:23 pm |
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thanks Shirley and Zonker for coming over to the forum and voicing your opinion in a thoughtful and respectful manner. You have certainly framed your position in a much more mature fashion than others that frequent this forum.
I can understand how it could be difficult at times to represent the rooster rock nudists given the illegal activities of a few that frequent the beach and the negative reputation that it has resulted in. As kiteboarders, we are also in the public eye at times and we too have to actively work towards achieving and maintaining access rights so we can enjoy are passions.
I don't think anyone's intent on here was to rid the beach of nude individuals. I myself really enjoy the occasional naked swim. I have been frequenting rooster for almost a decade and stopped taking my wife down to the sand island in situations where I was not always accompanying her (e.g. I'm out kiting on the water) after several creepy encounters by lecherous men, one of which was quite threatening. This did not matter so much as there was another beach (at the base of the main stairs between the pile dikes) where she could relax by herself without naked men in her presence.
I took my wife and both kids to the beach this last weekend and we had a great time. There is a huge shallow place for them to swim and there were plenty of other people around to ensure me that there would be no problems. Despite the fact that 95% of the people were clothed in this part of the beach, there were still a few gentleman that felt compelled to hang out (or all hang out should I say) down in this area where there were families around. no, they were not breaking the law but let me ask you this, if you came down to rooster to hang out naked with like minded people, would you head to the beach that had the most clothed people? If you were the only one in a crowd of 50 people that was naked, would you walk around parents with little kids? Hopefully you see what I am getting at here.
The point of my post was to inform people that if they too felt it would be nice if there was a section of usable beach that people could utilize and NOT be subject to public nakedness, then they should voice that opinion to the parks staff.
I think you and I both know that nudity will never be outlawed at Rooster, as you said, you are a legitimate user group with a history of utilization...just like every other user group. I don't see the boundary changing anytime soon but I am well aware of how the public process works and just wanted to voice my opinion through the proper channels. My true desire is for everyone to be respectful and get along.
The world gets smaller and smaller every year and unfortunately, Rooster's swimming options for younger users got reduced to one, in the span of about 3 years. I would hope that some of the nudist community would realize that some people (and particularly those with children) would like to have the option to use the beach without having to subject their kids to grown men in the nude.
EXACTLY like Sauvie Island.
Have fun out there and don't forget your sunscreen.
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Charles
Since 21 Aug 2010
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 11:10 am |
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Thank you, Pdxmonkeyboy, for your post of 20 August. I was impressed by the conciliatory tone of your message and especially appreciated the part where you said; "My true desire is for everyone to be respectful and get along." That is the exact message that I'd like to bring to you and the folks at nwkite.com. I'm inclined to think, however, that drawing a line in the sand and segregating ourselves would be counterproductive to that goal.
We appreciate your visits to the beach and hope, always, that you'll not wait for another windy day to return, but that you'll come often. Bring a lunch, frisbees, a book, sand pails, football et al and find a comfortable place to enjoy the sand, water and sun. As noted, Rooster Rock is a large place and most will easily find a suitable spot where they can be comfortable. If you observe illegal behavior; report it. You may want to pick up one of the beach welcome cards at the office with the contact numbers. If you observe behavior that is not illegal but only annoying then you might want to move to another location. Please forgive them.
As Shirley noted in an earlier post, several user groups will meet for a beach clean up work day on the 25th of September. We'd be pleased to have you and your group come, participate and become better acquainted with others who, like yourself, "desire [that] everyone be respectful and get along."
Charles |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
648 Posts
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 6:16 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Despite the fact that 95% of the people were clothed in this part of the beach, there were still a few gentleman that felt compelled to hang out (or all hang out should I say) down in this area where there were families around. no, they were not breaking the law but let me ask you this, if you came down to rooster to hang out naked with like minded people, would you head to the beach that had the most clothed people? If you were the only one in a crowd of 50 people that was naked, would you walk around parents with little kids? Hopefully you see what I am getting at here.
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Perhaps wearing one of these on your belt would help
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mxwllms
Since 26 Jul 2006
110 Posts
Boring, Or
Stoked
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 6:38 pm |
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| if you want no nudists stay to the west of the nudist area... thats where normal parents with concerns take their children to hang out on the beach and swim(and yes there still is a large spot for that... went there a couple days ago)...... why isnt anyone on here crying and bitching about thrrr wife and kids being exposed to any good looking women? i know its the nude women who really have Ron pissed off.. |
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riverkwai
Since 16 Sep 2009
5 Posts
Kook
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 8:05 pm |
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| Oh lord, naked people!!!! Just be thankful there were no brown people there!! Ever been to a European beach? Don't go, they have both naked AND brown people and looked how screwed up their kids are for it!!! |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
2698 Posts
Still a gojo pimp!
Moto Mouth
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 8:21 pm |
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| riverkwai wrote: | | Oh lord, naked people!!!! Just be thankful there were no brown people there!! Ever been to a European beach? Don't go, they have both naked AND brown people and looked how screwed up their kids are for it!!! |
wow dude u totally read my mind but couldnt say it. I am so glad we dont have any brown people on OUR beaches!
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pauls
Since 20 Jun 2005
564 Posts
Northern Portugal
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| Sat Aug 21, 10 10:13 pm |
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This is a really interesting thread - ironic to compare posters comments and reactions to this one nwkite.com/forums/t-10539.html
So i emigrated to to Vancouver a few years and was drawn here by the Gorge and the location but also the people and the tolerance for wacky weirdness. I think Captain America and his mates are kind of sad rather than threatening, even if someone slapped some board shorts on them they still wouldn't exactly blend in with joe public out for a stroll on the beach.
On warm sunny busy beach days maybe the rangers need to do some patrolling on the beach making sure all the different park users are playing nice particularly if they know they have some 'characters' with an attitude and really big ****S! I usually see the rangers up around the parking lot but never seen them down on the beach.
I can understand where PMB was coming from with his first post re. parenting his kids but personally i'm for leaving the zoning at Rooster the way it is........keep PDX weird  you won't know what you had 'til you lose it |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Sun Aug 22, 10 8:51 am |
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I'd like to thank our thee non-kiting guests for their posts. Yes, we disagree, but I appreciate how you came in here and made your position known and didn't make any personal attacks. You didn't assume anyone who disagreed with you were nazis. I assume you represent the nudist community and as such you reinforce my positive impression of the majority of people in that community.
I'd also like to thank the regulars on here who expressed their opinion, on both sides, without resorting to personal attacks.
To the individuals who can't believe that someone can disagree with you without being some sort of villain, wow. Try a little dose of tolerance & open mindedness for views other than your own. This is nwKite. We're republican's, democrats, liberals, conservatives, religious, agnostic, locals, visitors, experts, beginners, nudists, prudists, carnivores, vegetarians, hippies, yuppies, Americans, foreigners, black, brown, white, yellow and any other color you care to name. Were' kiters and we're stoked. I've never asked anyone their views before I offered them a beer or a rum & coke. Never cared about it when I wanted a launch. Never cared when I saved someones board or pulled them in from across the river. Why should I? Why do you care? Try and let go of your prejudices and enjoy the stoke!
I want to re-emphasize our position. NOBODY WANTS TO ELIMINATE THE NUDE BEACH. WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO REORGANIZE THE BOUNDARIES. HISTORICALLY, ROOSTER ROCK HAS HAD BOTH NUDE AND CLOTHED BEACHES.
To answer a few questions:
Kite, the beach west of the nude area is a mud flat.Check the borders. And no one here has suggested banning only naked men. Or banning nudity at all.
Riverkwai, yep, been to beaches in Europe, Thailand, China, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mexico, Australia, Venezuela, Japan, India and a few others. Different cultures. You'd be amazed at all the differences. And everywhere I've been so far, I've never, ever seen a clothing optional beach where there wasn't a clothed beach nearby. I'm not saying such a place doesn't exist, just that I haven't seen it yet. And you do know some of the people you label as racist are not white, don't you?
Pauls, thanks for your friendly post by the way! I'm not aware of anyone here on this site that wants to eliminate the nude beach, so I don't see the irony. Again, no problem whatsoever with the nude beach here. A few of us would just like a portion of the beach set aside as a clothed beach restoring the historical multi-use flavor to Rooster Rock. With over two miles of shoreline at Rooster Rock, I don't think setting aside a couple of thousand feet for clothed use will keep Portland from being weird!
A lot of posts on here that disagree with reorganizing the Boundaries at Rooster. That's cool! People have opinions. Won't stop me from offering you some rum or a beer at the beach. However, I've asked a number of times how reorganizing the borders would detract from the nude experience at RR. Why? I really would like to know.There has not been one reply. Not one. Not one person, visitor to this forum or otherwise, has explained how restoring the historical uses to Rooster Rock would negatively impact ANYBODY. The inescapable conclusion is that reserving a portion of the beach for conventional uses won't impact the nudist community in any significant manner. I thought that was obvious all along, but I wanted to hear other views. |
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