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Chooch
Since 18 Nov 2007
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Wicked Pissah
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| PDXF wrote: | | Hey Nak, what about the 33rd street boat ramp beach? |
I would question anyones parenting ability if they took their kids to that beach.... trash, meth heads, and broken glass are just a few of that beaches key features. Its almost like the gathering of the saddest humans in the city.  |
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:08 am Oh, so downtown pdx. is off limits to kids? |
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LOL,
Right....I see.
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:12 am Hey Chooch, you got kids? |
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I do and I know Brian does and I'm thinking you don't, yet.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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Hood River
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:12 am |
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It's a public beach and it's use and regulations should reflect the users. It's as simple as collecting some data. MonkeyBoy has provided some information on how to help provide some data.
To me it would be different if it was just a nude beach, rather than a place where men have anonymous sex.
Sure fire way to make a huge impact on this data, have an early fall big air kiteboard competition there.
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Chooch
Since 18 Nov 2007
1871 Posts
Wicked Pissah
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:15 am Re: Hey Chooch, you got kids? |
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| bulae99 wrote: | | I do and I know Brian does and I'm thinking you don't, yet. |
No kids for me
I'm talking about airport beach in PDX not Rooster....not sure what your getting at anyways 
All I am saying is that airport beach is not family friendly
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:16 am |
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why are you all so threaten by NUDITY ?
if you don't like what you see
LOOK THE OTHER WAY
or do you just fuck with people because you can
nudophobes
Rooster has been a nude beach way before any kiters ever thought of it
I'd say kiters are the invaders ,and apperently not too great of neighbors
"people who judge don't matter
people who matter don't judge " |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4329 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:19 am |
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| blowhard wrote: | Rooster has been a nude beach way before any kiters ever thought of it
I'd say kiters are the invaders ,and apperently not too great of neighbors |
Public land is public land and it's use should reflect the public's views. Just because some asshole was there first doesn't mean he has a claim to it. You sound like a windsurfer.  |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:21 am |
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so when your nude you are an asshole?
well that seems easy to figure  |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4329 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:27 am |
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You know I can just delete your post to win the argument right Blowhard?! Ahha!
Anyway, I agree with you that just cause your naked doesn't make you a bad person. I have no problem with it and I don't mind my daughter being around it either. That's another topic for another thread.
Problem is a portion of these dudes are there to suck each others wieners and give each other hemorrhoids on public land. That is criminal behavior that doesn't belong. Instead of sharing and being polite, these guys just hang out right next to all the families trying to drive them away. That's what makes them assholes. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:35 am |
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too true
but being that this activitie has been going on for way longer than I can remember
(perhaps even before pole dancers) 
but back in the 80's it was the same thing
just no interwuts to bitch about it
I would think it's going to be pretty hard to edge em out
probably a lot better to learn to adjust your behaviors than someone else's
ha don't have worry about ANY nudity at the coast 
I wonder if the dudes who wear the clothes over thier suits are worried about becoming a nudist  |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:44 am |
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PDXF, I'll concede that the 33rd street beach is East of Sauvies. Let's try "East of the I205 bridge. And by ANY standard, Rooster is, BY FAR, the best beach on the Columbia River. Scenic beauty, safe swimming areas for kids, accessibility, land mass equal to Texas. Why should it be reserved SOLELY for the smallest user group on the river?
| grom wrote: | so you're saying theres a beach where kiting naked is totally sweet? and you people want to change that because YOU dont like what the human body looks like? sounds pretty insecure. home valley is 15 minutes past it and has a better beach, better winds, and more children shit. MOVE ON!!!
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Grom, Nobody here has said eliminate the nude beach. Rooster is huge. Enormous. Really big. There is more than enough space to have both a clothing optional section and a family friendly section. The truth here is that Rooster attracts a number of perverts who delight in exposing themselves to young children. it ALSO attracts folks who just want to hang out naked. We'd like to eliminate opportunities for the former while preserving the privileges of the latter.
Not only is RR big enough for two sections, it's big enough for multiple sections. There's great beaches in the cove made by the big island. It's close to the parking lot, yet secluded. That would be a great spot for the clothing optional beach. On the Colombia side of the island, the East third of the beach could be clothing optional. BTW Grom, that section has the best wind, so Naked kiting wouldn't be hampered. 
I use this section of river a lot. The reality is most days there's only a very few nude sunbathers at Rooster. If you limited nude sunbathing to the sections I describe, those beaches would STILL be the LEAST crowded beaches on the river. By a HUGE margin. Park a boat on any other beach on the river, and you'll be within a few yards of the next group. Park at RR, and you're a quarter to a half a MILE away from the next group on many days. And yet some gross dude will still find it necessary to be right next to you.
I have NO PROBLEM with the regular people who want to sunbathe nude. They leave the families alone anyway. It's the perverts that use RR as an excuse to get their jollies with woman & little kids that I'd like to control. I don't think that you guys realize that the perverts is who you're protecting. Spend some time at RR if you don't believe me. Take your kid or your little cousin. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 8:57 am |
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| blowhard wrote: |
Rooster has been a nude beach way before any kiters ever thought of it
I'd say kiters are the invaders ,and apperently not too great of neighbors
"people who judge don't matter
people who matter don't judge " |
Blowhard, it's not just kiters that are getting tired of the behavior of a few. We're probably the smallest group. In fact we're probably the ONLY group that is just advocating a restructuring of the boundaries. Everybody else is talking banning nudity, period.
| blowhard wrote: |
I would think it's going to be pretty hard to edge em out |
I've talked with a number of Multnomah County Sheriff's deputies who disagree with that statement. They're mostly chomping at the bit to prove you wrong... |
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
1691 Posts
I give out bad advice.
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 9:01 am Foe Show!! |
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Let's give em the event site!!! LOL, what if The Event Site were nude? LOL
LMFAO, I'll be there would be more nudist windsurfers than kitboarders.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 10:37 am |
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So many comments that I wold like to address but don't want to take the time to cite them individually. But just a few points to clarify.
I'm not going to mention guys fucking each other in the woods, or guys blowing guys in the parking lot, or leaving dildos to bask in the sun on the beach as although that is illegal, that activity is apparently on the decline in recent years and I have not witnessed this activity myself.
There is no other beach within an hour of portland that has beaches that are SAFE for kids to play on. The airport beach is littered with broken glass and other dangerous garbage and within about 3 feet from the water line, the water is over my 3yo's head. Add to that there is an interstate freeway within ear shot, and oh yeah, a fucking busy airport 500 yards away..not exactly a relaxing day at the beach.
I go to Rooster with the family as maybe for once, I would like to go kiting at a beach where my family can also come and have a good time? If your single or don't have kids then perhaps this is hard to imagine, but lets just say the family gets tired of the "disappearing daddy" phenom, as does daddy. Yeah, the human body is a wonderful and beautiful machine and everyone has boy parts or girl parts. That's why I'm coming to blowhards next birthday (or kids birthday if you have them) naked. I'm not going to talk to anyone, I'm just going to stand in the corner and leer at your wife. Maybe I'll get uncomfortably close to your wife and ask her what time it is...like 5 times an hour. WHAT? your wife uncomfortable with nudity? Based on your comments BLOW HARD, I suspect that perhaps you thought of that account name after several trips to rooster rock in the 80's.?
Anywho, based on my conversation with the parks manager there have been ALLOT of complaints and requests that a family-friendly area be established on the beach. There used to be a family friendly area established at the base of the main steps between the two pile dikes but it no longer exists because of the Corps water management regime. The high water levels have limited beach usage to sand island.
The state park system was established to provide recreation opportunities for ALL user groups. Hikers, bikers, hunters, fisherman, and even nudists. The nudists have a right to use the beach, just as much a right as somebody else has.
It does seem a little ironic that some of the people that are claiming "don't push other user groups aside" are the same ones advocating more pump and dry area at the event site and launching at the marina beach.... perhaps if those other user groups were not clothed I could claim that you all are just being prudes?
If you don't agree, then you don't agree, that is the way the system works. I simply started the thread as a means for those that felt the same way to voice their opinion through the proper channels. I'm not trying to ban anyone from enjoying what they like to do. As Nak said, there is more than enough beach to go around at rooster.
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windpower
Since 27 Jul 2010
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Thanks to the person who provided contact info for the parks department person. I sent a nice note on behalf of the silent majority of us who have no problem with nudity, are capable of averting our eyes if we are somehow offended by nudity, can read signs that explain that the entire beach is and has been a nude beach for a very long time, and are not teaching our children or condoning our spouses to be disgusted or "creeped out" by the human body. This is Portland, not Kansas.
I'm shocked and disappointed at the level of intolerance and sense of entitlement expressed here. Furthermore, I am a little confused as to the reason why nude sunbathers at a nude beach are so scary.... I'm reading here that:
(a) people would prefer to see more attractive nude people, especially nude women, and that old men do not have a "right" to be nude (reflecting a disturbing mixture of misogyny and homophobia)
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(b) people are uncomfortable with sexuality, in which case it strikes me as convenient (for you) that the nudists tend to be unattractive (to you) and therefore non-sexual (to you).
It's a bit dangerous to frame complaints like this as a desire for a right-wing version of a "family-friendly" experience. That's exactly the logic that gets invasive kiteboarders excised from a beach.
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pollywog
Since 07 Aug 2009
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 11:38 am |
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This sort of conversation is always interesting, (I think).
I highly doubt this thread would have begun if it would have been WOMEN milling about nude in that same location. I imagine the women would have been bombarded with "chatty" male kiters, and this thread would have been something like "the perfect Saturday at rooster rock" or what have you.
It is a nude beach and there are signs. However, if you don't agree, it is well within your rights to voice disagreement.
It is funny to me because there is certainly a double standard about nudity. If it is a woman, GREAT (and she doesn't have to be attractive), if it is a MAN, sick!
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 11:40 am |
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Laura, you're just assuming and generalizing. Have you been to this beach? Part of Sauvie Island is nude, why isn't there this same problem there? You assume that just because we're complaining, and generalizing that we're just a group of puritan kiteboarders.
I don't even kite at RR often. But I do strive to make sure public land can be enjoyed by everyone fairly and safely.
There is a lack of curtsy and a case for potential harassment, and that's the problem. Captain America is always there, right on the boundary, calling attention to himself to each group of people that walks down that one path. His chair is rotated away from the sun and beach and pointed straight at the path so when you do look up from helping your kids down the path to see who is talking to you, you're get a naked douche bag thrown in your face.
That's exclusive behavior, meant to harass other beach goers, scare them off, and keep the beach to themselves. No different than the localism that happens with surfers at the Seaside cove.
There is a ton of beach, an increasing demand for beach use, it's only fair that a boundary shift take place. |
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