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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| windpower wrote: | and are not teaching our children or condoning our spouses to be disgusted or "creeped out" by the human body. This is Portland, not Kansas.
I'm shocked and disappointed at the level of intolerance and sense of entitlement expressed here. Furthermore, I am a little confused as to the reason why nude sunbathers at a nude beach are so scary.... |
Laura, we are NOT saying that nude sunbathers are scary. Most are not. Read the posts a bit closer. If you go to RR much you'll find there are a few "scary" individuals that are abusing the privilege. Try talking to the nudists who actually USE Rooster Rock. The ones I've spoken to don't like the perverts either.
Try going to RR with your kids and their friends. You'll probably get sued by the friend's parents for taking them there. Families are effectively banned from RR, the best, biggest, safest beach in the area.
Again, NOT trying to ban the nude sunbathing, just trying to reorganize the boundaries. Again, Rooster Rock is BIG. It can take an HOUR to walk from one end of the beach to the other. There's plenty of room for everybody. If the nude sunbathing area were restricted, my guess is each group in the area would still have over an acre of beach to themselves. On a crowded day.
Sauvie's Island has boundaries for nude sunbathing, and it seems to work out well for EVERYBODY. Why would it be so bad to have boundaries at Rooster Rock? |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:18 pm |
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Nak and Forrest hit the nail on the head Laura. No, nude sunbathers don't offend me or my family. I will have to ask however, have you BEEN to rooster rock on a weekend? The issue isn't that there are naked people on the beach, the issue is inconsiderate behavior on the part of a select few gentleman. As I had stated in my original post, the manger explained that "you can't regulate common courtesy". The park manger has spoken to captain america (his name is rocky BTW) and others who insist on milling around in the portion of the beach WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE NUDE PEOPLE ARE NOT LOCATED at the request of other families and people who thought the same thing that I had.. why do these people insist on cruising around the section of the beach that is predominantly used by people that are clothed and families? The response that was given (on several occasions by different people) was "I have a right to be here". Even when the park manager was politely requesting that perhaps if they moved down the beach a little to join the other naked individuals there would be less conflicts. They simple said NO, I have a right to be here and I'm staying here.... The implication here is "I don't care what affect I am having on other users" The only recourse that park staff has is to change the boundary of the legal nudity area. The same as they did in the 90's when the routinely asked people not to use the eastern rest rooms and parking lot naked, people would didn't listen, so they moved the boundary down the hill.
And no, it doesn't speak of homophobia Pollywog. The simple fact is that a man poses a greater potential safety risk, either real or perceived, than a woman does. Naked or clothed. If you think that a naked man pacing back and forth and leering at a mother and her children can not be perceived as threatening, your viewpoint is a little naive or skewed to bolster your position. How about the weekly occurrence of the police having to go down to the beach to arrest men MASTURBATING IN THE FUCKING BUSHES while looking at said family? So ask your girlfriend pollywog (if you have one) which would be more threatening a man masturbating in the bushes while staring at her, or a woman? Just to go on record, I highly doubt there are ANY women masturbating in the bushes as they are typically a wee bit less hedonistic than the average guy.
Rooster rock does not exist in some kind of freedom of the world bubble. If it was generally recognized that exposing your genitalia was no big deal, why can't I go down to starbucks with my cock hanging out? Or ride the bus with my jim-jams spilling over the edge of the seat? Cause everyone is a prude?
For the sake of simplicity, perhaps someone could tell me why my desire to enjoy a public beach clothed is less valid than someone that wants to enjoy the beach naked? It wasn't an issue before as their were ALTERNATIVE swimming locations for those that didn't want to mingle with nude people, but now, their is no alternative.
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Nak
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:29 pm |
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PDXmonkeyboy. You are an asshole. How can you sit there and suggest that we can all get along, that there is enough space for everybody? I can't believe your intolerance. Your sense of self entitlement knows no bounds you prudish right wing bastard! The audacity, wanting to share! You must believe one way, my way, or you are completely intolerant. I, however, am completely open minded and tolerant of everybody who agrees with me! 
First time you've been called "Right wing" I'll bet!  |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:40 pm |
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Uh oooh, your on to me! I know, its completely ridiculous to express to a public agency that I would like a portion of a public beach to be closed to nude sunbathers so I can take my family down there without worry.
I think I came up with a solution however. My wife finally wants to learn to fly the trainer, I figured rooster rock on a warm Saturday will be perfect. So I just finished coating the leading edge of my 3m trainer with broken glass.....
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:41 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Yeah, the human body is a wonderful and beautiful machine and everyone has boy parts or girl parts. That's why I'm coming to blowhards next birthday (or kids birthday if you have them) naked. I'm not going to talk to anyone, I'm just going to stand in the corner and leer at your wife. Maybe I'll get uncomfortably close to your wife and ask her what time it is...like 5 times an hour. WHAT? your wife uncomfortable with nudity? Based on your comments BLOW HARD, I suspect that perhaps you thought of that account name after several trips to rooster rock in the 80's.?
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LOL!!
I don't have a strong opinion either way. Don't care if there are nekit dudes running around or not (but then again I don't have a wife or kids). But I just wanted to chime in and say this thread is HILARIUS!!! Even more entertaining than the dog poo thread! Maybe we will get an annual return of the viet schlong every August 
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Bettyboarder
Since 18 Mar 2005
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:43 pm |
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RR has some creepy dudes for sure...remember this post
http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-3981.html
Families aren't really hanging there except maybe July-Sept.
Monkey maybe it would be good to see if during the busy season/low water they can move the nude boundry a bit back. Maybe Captain America can move his camp down to a different trail during the summer
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Gman
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pdxmonkeyboy
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 12:56 pm |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: | RR has some creepy dudes for sure...remember this post
http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-3981.html
Families aren't really hanging there except maybe July-Sept.
Monkey maybe it would be good to see if during the busy season/low water they can move the nude boundry a bit back. Maybe Captain America can move his camp down to a different trail during the summer |
One of the huge issues Nicole is that the park has a really difficult time actually signing the area. I was told that they would love to move the boundary, as many have actually asked, but it presents logistical difficulties. When they first moved the boundary the signs were tore down each week.
If they put signs in the willows, nobody would see them. If they put them in the water, they get washed out or pose a hazard to water users if partially submerged. The park is also in the gorge scenic area which is a nightmare of permitting to put signs, or even floating buoys in the water. Also, a large percentage of beach users do not access the beach through the parking lot.
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windpower
Since 27 Jul 2010
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 1:54 pm |
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Dude, it's a NUDE BEACH. Being nude is not "exclusive behavior" or "harassment."
Pollywog, thanks for your comments -- very true about the double standard!
Why isn't there a "problem" at Sauvie? Because most kiteboarders kite downwind of the demarcated nude beach area. For some unknown reason, nudist-phobic kiteboarders at Rooster Rock kite right in the middle of the nude beach area. If you cannot read the signs that tell you this, how about launching and kiting anywhere west of the nude beach area, which is about another 1/2 mile of shoreline (starting by the ranger station and going west from there) that you can have all to yourselves and your frightened, clothed families?
Indeed, I've been to that beach several times (good job on the presumption!), both for kiting and other purposes. And that was me kiteboarding topless the other day btw. Sorry for the lives I ruined for those who had the misfortune of witnessing it.
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forrest
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 1:59 pm |
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| Damn, I've completely changed my mind. Let me know when you're going out next. |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 2:06 pm |
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| windpower wrote: | | For some unknown reason, nudist-phobic kiteboarders at Rooster Rock kite right in the middle of the nude beach area. If you cannot read the signs that tell you this, how about launching and kiting anywhere west of the nude beach area, which is about another 1/2 mile of shoreline (starting by the ranger station and going west from there) that you can have all to yourselves and your frightened, clothed families? |
If you were indeed at the beach, you would then know that THERE IS NO place for families to swim to in that so called 1/2 mile of shoreline... its a mud flat. If you don't believe me then google earth it and look at the 2002 aerial and then the 2009 aerial. (BTW the image date is shown in the lower left corner, not on the slider bar on top).
What double standard are you talking about?? Seriously?
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pdxmonkeyboy
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 2:17 pm |
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| windpower wrote: | I'm shocked and disappointed at the level of intolerance and sense of entitlement expressed here. Furthermore, I am a little confused as to the reason why nude sunbathers at a nude beach are so scary.... I'm reading here that:
(a) people would prefer to see more attractive nude people, especially nude women, and that old men do not have a "right" to be nude (reflecting a disturbing mixture of misogyny and homophobia)
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(b) people are uncomfortable with sexuality, in which case it strikes me as convenient (for you) that the nudists tend to be unattractive (to you) and therefore non-sexual (to you).
It's a bit dangerous to frame complaints like this as a desire for a right-wing version of a "family-friendly" experience. That's exactly the logic that gets invasive kiteboarders excised from a beach. |
I'm equally shocked that you can read my post and come to those conclusions.... at what point did I say anything about how attractive a person is or that I am uncomfortable with nudity? So again, I myself have no problem with nudity or seeing genitalia or your tits. Yipeee ..BREASTS... wow!!  However, please forgive my 3 year old and 10 year old for not completely coming to grips with their sexuality prior to me wanting to go swimming with them at the beach.
Is it possible that a parent would have a different set of concerns? Is it ok, that I am thinking about others besides myself?
My point being that is perfectly fine with me if you desire to have the entire beach for nude sunbathing. I on the other hand, do not.
You needn't put words in my mouth or insult me to voice your opinion.
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 2:18 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: |
If you were indeed at the beach, you would then know that THERE IS NO place for families to swim to in that so called 1/2 mile of shoreline... its a mud flat. |
was a nasty gooey mess last week - slurped the sandals right off poor Julia
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chanson
Since 31 Jan 2006
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 2:25 pm |
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Holy typing..
As a proud participant of the annual PDX-naked bike ride, all I have to say is, wow.....you guys sure do type a lot.
there are weird-o's, and there are normal-o's....but I prefer the letter "Y"
this will go on forever.....
chafe----out...  |
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Gman
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allenlight
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 3:10 pm |
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Interesting thread. I was at the beach on Saturday - with my family (wife and two young boys) and couldn't help but notice Captain America along with the weird guy with huge nards that was cruzing the far west area that was mostly kiters.
Nobody's talking about the really insane guy about 100 yards east who was rock'n out all alone with his walkman on - he was the only one who made me a bit nervous. Anyway, it was an opportunity to explain the concept of 'clothing optional' to my boys who were kind of blown away by the whole concept. Perhaps it was the wild and uncontrolled manner in which my son was flying his trainer kite (in a safe manner - no flames please), but all of the nude gawkers gave us plenty of room and showed respect.
In the end, I personally am more comfortable taking my family to RR on a busy weekend summer day than I am at the HR sand bar. I would advise other families to take extra caution there - especially if they are not kite aware. One could argue that the best sand at the HR sandbar is on west side so why don't the kiters just move more to the east? Blah, blah, blah..
Anyway, I have empathy for the original point - but at the end - my vote would be to 'keep the Gorge weird'.. |
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undertow
Since 15 Feb 2008
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| Wed Aug 18, 10 3:38 pm |
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| In my not so tolerant opinion, "Get the nudists out" I was kiting at Rooster on Sat. And I would have really liked to have taken my wife and daughter, it was such a nice day, and my daughter could have played and had a good time, but no. I think Creating a family friendly beach, should take priority over a nudist beach, any day ..... |
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