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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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| you forgot the $10/gal tax on the hybrids for battery disposal money we're going to need in about 10 years.
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Spike
Since 13 May 2007
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 1:39 pm |
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hybrids are bullshit. yay 40mpg!
there are non-hybrid cars in Europe that get way over 40mpg
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 2:09 pm |
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Europe has taken way better advantage of diesel technologies to get fuel economy, so they are ahead of us there. They have high performance BMW diesel cars that have 6 second 0-60 times and get over 30 mpg!
One thing to beware of though when comparing UK vs. US gallons is they have their own measurement which is a bit larger than ours.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 3:13 pm |
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| Spike wrote: | hybrids are bullshit. yay 40mpg!
there are non-hybrid cars in Europe that get way over 40mpg |
homee has a point. American auto manufacturers have sucked on big oils dirty little teet for so long its going to be their downfall. Everyone made fun of toyota's first hybrid when they came out, nobody was laughing last year when they couldn't build them fast enough. I'm with spike though... 40mpg? Big whoop, my matrix got 36 when it was new.
When the hell are we going to see some real numbers...100, 200, 300 mpg. If that seagull looking car (link above) was available I would seriously think about getting one.
Until then, I'll continue looking for a saddle for my unicorn.
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mschulz
Since 29 May 2007
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 3:21 pm |
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The Aptera is going to be revolutionary with MPG's. When they start integrating solar panels on the car it will be even better.
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pjc
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 3:55 pm |
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the aptera is sort of cool in a geeky way. the reality is replacing 15-20 mpg cars with 40 mpg cars will have a much bigger impact then replacing 40 mpg cars with 100 mpgs cars.
if you drive 15,000 miles per year, then switching from 20 to 40 mpg takes off 375 gallons per year. switching from 40 mpg to 100 takes off only 225 gallons.
so more useful technology would be something like a subie/SUV that got 40 mpg and didn't cost a fortune. probably pretty close to that now with diesel technology, they just don't have the green image (not sure about city mileage)
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 4:10 pm |
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| the audi A2 (not yet available in america) gets great mileage.... if my conversions were correct from kilometers per liter to miles per gallon, it's at about 80mpg.
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Diggy
Since 25 Nov 2006
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 6:01 pm |
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| Spike wrote: | hybrids are bullshit. yay 40mpg!
there are non-hybrid cars in Europe that get way over 40mpg |
Hybrids are one way of capturing some of the power otherwise wasted, and if equiped would be a great option for short trips. Are there better options? Certainly. Are they available now? If you got the time and/or money. In Europe and Asia hybrids have a handy Electric Vehicle (EV) only button which is great for trips of a couple miles. My Camry hybrid (made in Kentucky, at least partialy) gets 33 mpg average (low due to the catalytic converter not heating up to operational temp on my many short trips), and averaged 35.2mpg on last Sundays trip from Hillsboro to HR driving 70-75. I also like the silence when stopped and at speed.
No extended warranty for me. Hacker by nature I'm sure I'll love it a whole lote more once I void the US warranty by adding the EV only button, upgrading from the stock 1kWh battery to a 10 kWh battery, adding a plug for charging, and using 100 HP of the Electric motor instead of allowing it to be limited to 40 HP (related to the battery capacity). With these mods I would expect to average 90+.
And I like the carpool idea - Seems like a few of us live in the Hillsboro / Tanasborn area.
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 7:08 pm |
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get our dollar back to par and the gas will be back to 2.00. gas is just the ice berg. focus on raising the value of the dollar and not consumption until we do. Do what you can for both of course but if people keep cashing 401 ks to pay for thier gas and mortgage bear/ sterns type things may be the result. 1000 dollars plus for gold 
I suck it up and drive the 80 diesel vw getting 45 mpg instead of my diesel crew cab to conserve in many ways. its a chick magnet. 
driving that p.o.s. isn't helping anyone out. unless you like wind noise.
I think the motorcycle with the bad ass side car/ industrial off road style would be a hoot to race to the launch on.
come on north winds ...................I am dying here.
looks like wind in the tree in the back ,
I am going to fly my new kite into it. 
uniout
need to train for nelscot. 
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Tue Mar 18, 08 7:16 pm |
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| yeah regi, and to add to it fed keeps dropping interest rates... inflation, dropping dollar, wheeeeee!
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 10:12 am |
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| Diggy wrote: | | .... and averaged 35.2mpg on last Sundays trip from Hillsboro to HR driving 70-75. |
daaaamn, ...... i have a '92 toyota corolla, that gets 32mpg in the city and 34-35mpg on the highway. who needs hybrids, just a good ole POS toyota.
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pacifichigh
Since 11 May 2005
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 10:18 am |
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| Fish-- You are fooling yourself if you think we will ever see $2.00 gas again!
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pjc
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 10:34 am |
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apparently the canadien tar sands can get extracted for a profit at around $35 a barrell. that's with current technology, one would expect they will get better at it.
$40 a barrell = $2.00 gallon of gas is right ballpark i think
with current tech, that canadien tar sand oil is some nasty shnizzle, does a number on the enviro. but the canadiens aren't exactly tree huggers, they'll probably dig it all out.
never say never with oil prices, lot's of really smart people have gone bankrupt trying to play that market.
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Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 5:37 pm |
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| well pjc back in college they said it takes 1 gallon of energy/oil to extract a gallon from the sands/shale. no matter the price of the gallon its a no gainer from my understanding.
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blancoh2o
Since 15 Mar 2005
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 7:06 pm |
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| pacifichigh wrote: | | Fish-- You are fooling yourself if you think we will ever see $2.00 gas again! |
Yea, as an energy trader, you hope not. Can you say C-O-M-I-S-S-I-O-N.... 
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 7:18 pm |
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nothing i've read agrees with that regi. here is the wikipedia page on it, it's consistent with the new yorker article a few months ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands#Input_energy
at any rate i don't think it would be a ramping up with billions of investment for a break even proposition. they've just about doubled output this decade - if you're driving in the mid west the tar sands are in your tank.
maybe the greenies will slow it down, but physics/economics won't.
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Wed Mar 19, 08 7:21 pm |
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| registered wrote: | | well pjc back in college they said it takes 1 gallon of energy/oil to extract a gallon from the sands/shale. no matter the price of the gallon its a no gainer from my understanding. |
Those kanucks are making a killing right now off oil sands, you can get a job driving a truck around the site and make $120k a year easy.
Yeah when oil was cheap it didn't make sense, but since crude has skyrocketed its cost effective.
The refining process spikes c02 and they are making some huge ass holes in the ground, but it might be better than flooding money into the middle east.
Nicole bought an Enduro today, we'll have to see about the board rack mount.
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