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Trent

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PostMon Sep 24, 12 6:38 pm     Reply with quote

Nobody laughed at under privileged children, Nak. In fact it was quite the opposite. People snickered because the kid referred to these people as his "Low income friends." They snickered because the kid's comments seemed insensitive in the phrasing that the chose and ridiculous in the notion that he was suggesting (some sort of community outreach program). And nobody laughed because a high school kid decided to speak up for something that he was passionate about. I commend that, actually. But, true "Low income" kids cannot afford to spend $50 to ride a cable park for 2 hours. $50 is a lot of money and to sell this thing as something that will touch the truly less-fortunate is just plain BS. It's a joke.

Nak, you don't know the first thing about me.....what I do for a living, how much money I make, how old I am, etc. To insinuate that I'm a dark-hearted elitist is insane. What the F@$K have YOU done for the community of Hood River, lately? I serve this community every day.

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PostMon Sep 24, 12 7:30 pm    Hey, give him a break Reply with quote

Trent obviously works at McDonalds.

" I serve this community every day."

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PostMon Sep 24, 12 8:35 pm     Reply with quote

Trent wrote:
But, true "Low income" kids cannot afford to spend $50 to ride a cable park for 2 hours. $50 is a lot of money and to sell this thing as something that will touch the truly less-fortunate is just plain BS.


Why do you keep pretending the sky is green and the grass is blue?

$50 for your 2 kids 20 weekends a year is a lot of money.

$50 for your 2 kids 3 times a year is well within range for someone "just getting by". If you've got a family scrapping by on 30K take home per year - it's 1% of their annual budget.

More commonly, there's a whole bunch of families in the 40K to 80K range that wouldn't dream of kiteboarding, but they will consider the cablepark an affordable treat.

Maybe if we call these people "lower middle class" or "working class" it will be easier for you to understand.

And that's not to mention the kids like Nak is talking about, who will get a crappy job and save up to hit it.

Or guys like my buddy whose a Big Brother/Big Sister mentor. He's always looking for something cool to do for the afternoon, $100 is fine if it's not too often. Freaking paintball ends up costing that much.

Finally - here's a good rule for you - when a teenager is talking in front of a crowd, unless he's obviously trying to make a joke, don't laugh. If obvious things aren't readily apparent to you, maybe just keep it simple and shut your mouth. Thanks.

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PostMon Sep 24, 12 10:45 pm     Reply with quote

Trent wrote:
Nobody laughed at under privileged children, Nak. In fact it was quite the opposite. People snickered because the kid referred to these people as his "Low income friends." They snickered because the kid's comments seemed insensitive in the phrasing that the chose and ridiculous in the notion that he was suggesting (some sort of community outreach program). And nobody laughed because a high school kid decided to speak up for something that he was passionate about. I commend that, actually. But, true "Low income" kids cannot afford to spend $50 to ride a cable park for 2 hours. $50 is a lot of money and to sell this thing as something that will touch the truly less-fortunate is just plain BS. It's a joke.

Nak, you don't know the first thing about me.....what I do for a living, how much money I make, how old I am, etc. To insinuate that I'm a dark-hearted elitist is insane. What the F@$K have YOU done for the community of Hood River, lately? I serve this community every day.


Trent, I'm just going by what you wrote. You are the one that said the thought that low income kids could use this was a joke. You. Even after having had time to think about it, you still defended it. See, if you really gave a Sh&%, you would have stopped to think at some point. You would have wondered if there was a chance that low income people might use this. You would have considered "What if?". But you didn't. You laughed, by your own admission. Worse, you defended that laugh after lots of time to think about it. I'm not saying for a second that you should have changed your mind about your stance. I am saying it should have given you pause for thought. No matter who says it, or what you think of them, the possibility of low income folks having a shot at something bright in their life is not funny. Someone that actually cared might have started wondering, "Hey, if it turns out we can't block this, maybe we can at least help to truly make it more accessible to kids that need a hand..."

You're right Trent. I don't know you. I don't know anything about you other than you not only admitted to laughing at such a ludicrous idea, you defended laughing at it. You didn't say, "Wow, that might have sounded bad, I didn't mean it like that. I'm really sorry." See, everyone makes mistakes. I shouldn't have gotten so pissed so quick. That was wrong. I'm sorry. But hey, you came right back and showed me I was right. Maybe you do serve the community every day. If so, that's very cool. Gives me hope that maybe given time you'll think about your thought process, maybe do a little self examination. But I don't know any of that, like you said. All I know is what you said and what you defended and what you didn't bother apologizing for.

Your defense, you wrote it, Trent:
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They snickered because the kid's comments seemed insensitive in the phrasing that the chose and ridiculous in the notion that he was suggesting
How is his phrasing so insensitive? More importantly, why is it such a ridiculous notion??? You say my assertion that your attitude is elitist is insane. Really? That line of yours is the definition of elitism. So ridiculous that poor kids should aspire to anything, is it? You find it ridiculous, even after I described dirt poor Malaysian kids saving up for the same thing. You didn't even bother to think, "What if?" You don't even understand how someone might find your comments condescending and offensive. Wow.

You know, if you'd of just written: "Yeah, i can see how someone might have interpreted our laughing as offensive. In retrospect that was not such a great thing to do; I apologize." Then I'd just think that you didn't think and made a mistake. Happens to everybody. Shoot, me more than most. But again and again you defend your laughing and make other comments that only convince everyone that you just don't get it.

Trent wrote:


Nak, you don't know the first thing about me.....what I do for a living, how much money I make, how old I am, etc. To insinuate that I'm a dark-hearted elitist is insane. What the F@$K have YOU done for the community of Hood River, lately? I serve this community every day.


Methinks you doth protest too much. (Apologies to Shakespeare.) Nice lash out; hit a nerve, did I? Not so much fun looking in the mirror and seeing an elitist?

Trent wrote:
But, true "Low income" kids cannot afford to spend $50 to ride a cable park for 2 hours. $50 is a lot of money and to sell this thing as something that will touch the truly less-fortunate is just plain BS. It's a joke.


It's not a Joke Trent. That's what you don't get and that's what makes you an elitist. To you, it's a joke. To someone that cares, it's a starting place, a possibility. A non-elitist thinks: "Hmmm, how much will a season pass be? Will there be a school discount? Heck, could there be a high school team? It is an Olympic sport... I wonder if it would be possible to have some sort of program for disadvantaged kids?" Trent, we look at your comments about what a joke it is for under-privileged kids to aspire to this and we see someone who sees a place for the poor, a place they shouldn't step out of. Rather than a joke, I see kids working their ass off to earn the money for their season pass. I see kids going door to door looking to help with yard work. I see a possibility to achieve something. You just see a joke. You see something to laugh at. Boyo, that is the very definition of an elitist.

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 12:18 am    My Impression Reply with quote

Trent, you come across as nearly as big a douche as that "Lawyer" that represents the "Friends".

You know, the one that was fired for lying on a previous job.

What exactly is your point anyway?

Oh yeah, the boat basin is a navigable waterway, an endangered salmon habitat, and is being widely used by people when they are provided with free rec equipment.

Interstate commerce will come to a standstill, all the salmon will die, and MANY MANY people won't be able to paddle on 1/100,000 of the available "navigable' WATERWAY.

WAY TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, DUDE.

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Wind Slither

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 6:41 am     Reply with quote

Trent wrote:
But, true "Low income" kids cannot afford to spend $50 to ride a cable park for 2 hours.


I don't know the pricing structure planned for this park, but normally there is an annual pass that brings the cost/session way down. Yeah, not a soup kitchen Trent, but within reach of the aveage youth who not funded by their parents and goes out mowing lawns and raking leaves to pay for fun.

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forrest

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 7:22 am     Reply with quote

For the record Nak has served on the Columbia Gorge Kiteboarding Association, serving this community for the past 3 years, and he was in the air force defending our country for at least 20 years. I think that covers the question about "what was the last thing he did for our community".

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 10:00 am     Reply with quote

Perspectives

Kiteboarding
300+ for lessons
300-500 for a decent used kite
100-200 for a decent TT used
100 or so for harness...
Looking at at least 1k to get started (usually 3k for first season)

Wake boarding
20k for a boat
+ insurance
+30 or so a day for gas
If 25 years old you can rent a boat at some spots for about 200 or more an hour

Cable park http://www.wakesportranch.com/prices-wsr.cfm as example
35/day or less for 2 or 4 hour sessions.
Season pass around 600

So which is more affordable to those on a limited budget?

Basically half the price of skiing/snowboarding in our area...

If it goes up I'll definitely use it

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 11:09 am     Reply with quote

Forrest wrote:
For the record Nak has served on the Columbia Gorge Kiteboarding Association, serving this community for the past 3 years, and he was in the air force defending our country for at least 20 years. I think that covers the question about "what was the last thing he did for our community".


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PostTue Sep 25, 12 11:23 am     Reply with quote

I think cable parking is a bit more expensive if you rent the gear, but you can also buy some cheap used boards on Craig's list.

Whatever, this whole "unaffordable to the masses" argument that Trent hits on is now so thoroughly debunked that it lacks even a single bunk.

Maybe Trent can come back with some new theory. "Oatmeal actually really expensive" or what not.

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Trent

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 11:26 am     Reply with quote

Nak, don't you think you twisted my words up just a hair there? You said I laughed at the notion of under-privileged kids wanting to aspire to utilize a cable park. C'mon, dude. That's not what I said and you know it. Yes, laughing at that WOULD be elitist and douchey. But THAT is not what happened.

Perhaps the confusion here is in what everyone's definition of "Low Income" is. I react very strongly to the notion that this cable park will be accessible to "Low Income" people. Maybe it'll be accessible to "Lower-middle-income" kids and such but true kids in need won't get to use this thing unless it's free on certain days or something. You see kids who would work their ass off to buy gear and a pass to ride a cable park. That's great. But I see kids who who HAVE to work their ass of just so their family can eat and have a roof over their head. And yes, to sell this cable park as something that would be accessible to those kids is a joke. It's insulting.

So, yes. Perhaps we are indeed not talking about the same kids.

And, Dangler. Really? You of all people are going to weigh in on my character? We could all sit around a campfire and swap story after story after story about your douche-baggery over the years.

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 11:32 am    Whaaaaaaa? Reply with quote

And, Dangler. Really? You of all people are going to weigh in on my character? We could all sit around a campfire and swap story after story after story about your douche-baggery over the years.

WIND SLITHER, RALLY THE DANGLER ALLIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 11:51 am     Reply with quote

Trent wrote:

Perhaps the confusion here is in what everyone's definition of "Low Income" is. I react very strongly to the notion that this cable park will be accessible to "Low Income" people. Maybe it'll be accessible to "Lower-middle-income" kids and such but true kids in need won't get to use this thing unless it's free on certain days or something. You see kids who would work their ass off to buy gear and a pass to ride a cable park. That's great. But I see kids who who HAVE to work their ass of just so their family can eat and have a roof over their head. And yes, to sell this cable park as something that would be accessible to those kids is a joke. It's insulting.

So, yes. Perhaps we are indeed not talking about the same kids.


Trent,

Are you saying that because some kids do not have access to the cable park it should not be built?

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 12:01 pm     Reply with quote

I'm not sure it's worthwhile to analyze Trent's opinions too deeply. He has the Sixth Sense. Wide eyed, he's here to whisper "I see poor people", and tell us things about them we'd never, ever know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSNyiSetZ8Y

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 12:22 pm     Reply with quote

Trent wrote:
But I see kids who who HAVE to work their ass of just so their family can eat and have a roof over their head.


That sort of shiite is basically insulting to anyone that actually works with poor people in America, or, like me, is married to someone who does.

Kids in America get WIC, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. Maybe if Paul Ryan gets in office things will be different (kidding, I doubt it) but don't come on here and tell people you come from Victorian England where you've watched kids working 12 hour shifts in the button factory.

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PostTue Sep 25, 12 12:29 pm     Reply with quote

Your assertion that an active watersport, while not free, wouldn't be important in a low income household is false and claiming such knowledge of the issue as to call it a "joke" makes you look foolish.

I speak from experience when I say it is important in all incomes houses to have a positive, active, energy outlet for your kids; something for them to look forward too. It teaches them that if they work hard, they will have the means to do whatever they want.

Trent wrote:
But I see kids who who HAVE to work their ass of just so their family can eat and have a roof over their head. And yes, to sell this cable park as something that would be accessible to those kids is a joke. It's insulting.

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