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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Ian, perhaps using a pen will show more might than using a sword.
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tjgulizia
Since 06 Feb 2007
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| Thu May 10, 12 3:50 pm |
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s'Word'.....
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| Thu May 10, 12 7:19 pm |
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| It seems we all agree something needs to be done with the boat basin, anybody got any other ideas besides a thunderdome and a cable park?
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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bwd
Since 04 Aug 2007
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| Thu May 10, 12 7:28 pm |
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| Quote: | | Im not violent, but you dont need to be violent to make sure someone doesnt have fun on the water! |
wat^!
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Thu May 10, 12 7:42 pm |
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| guest wrote: | | It seems we all agree something needs to be done with the boat basin, anybody got any other ideas besides a thunderdome and a cable park? |
Reasonable question, but it takes bucks. Naito is the only group that has stepped up to the plate to turn the basin from an eyesore into an attractive asset. The "Friends Of The Hood River Waterfront" have done absolutely nothing to help the basin. It seems their only capability is to try and block the good others try and do. The basin has been sitting there unused for quite a while. If someone wanted to improve it, they've had years of oppurtunity. If the park is blocked it seems almost certain that the basin will become something nobody likes. It's really easy to whine about what others are doing, it's a lot harder to actually do something constructive.
What people forget is that their are other options that even the "friends" will like a lot less than a park. For instance, there would be no legal basis to block Jetski rentals in the basin. In fact, I would "guess" that very option is being very seriously considered right now.
What it all comes down to is money. The "Friends" are living in dreamland if they think the city or the port is going to spend the money to turn the basin into a nice waterfront park. There's one of those just a bit west... Money just doesn't grow on trees. What happens if the sandbar continues to grow and blocks off the Basin? Without a cable park, there will be no financial incentive for anyone to do anything at all. Odds are it'll just end up stinky as well as ugly and surrounded by industry. And as far as any other commercial venture investing in the basin, you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think someone else is going to waste capitol when they see the problems Naito has had. We could be like some, just stick our head in the sand and believe our fairy grandmother is going to come along and fix up the basin. Or, we could be realistic and support the great opportunity available right now.
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cosmodog
Since 06 Oct 2005
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| Thu May 10, 12 8:24 pm |
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| Quote: | Im not violent, but you dont need to be violent to make sure someone doesnt have fun on the water!
If they want to block the cable park, then why shouldnt i try and block them from kiting anywhere near me? |
Damn this is weak shit. This crap is worse than the guy who wants to sue. You are not helping your cause with veiled threats about messing with another kiter on the water. Weak.
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Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
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| Thu May 10, 12 9:23 pm |
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| cosmodog wrote: | | Quote: | Im not violent, but you dont need to be violent to make sure someone doesnt have fun on the water!
If they want to block the cable park, then why shouldnt i try and block them from kiting anywhere near me? |
Damn this is weak shit. This crap is worse than the guy who wants to sue. You are not helping your cause with veiled threats about messing with another kiter on the water. Weak. |
I would consider "weak shit" trying to stop a great thing from happening in the community because you want to paddle a kayak around in dirty water...
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Kodiak
Since 01 Aug 2005
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| Fri May 11, 12 10:39 am |
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| Inept_Fun wrote: | | cosmodog wrote: | | Quote: | Im not violent, but you dont need to be violent to make sure someone doesnt have fun on the water!
If they want to block the cable park, then why shouldnt i try and block them from kiting anywhere near me? |
Damn this is weak shit. This crap is worse than the guy who wants to sue. You are not helping your cause with veiled threats about messing with another kiter on the water. Weak. |
I would consider "weak shit" trying to stop a great thing from happening in the community because you want to paddle a kayak around in dirty water... |
Many others consider that weak as well, but that doesn't mean your posts are at all helpful. I am sure you have heard the saying "two wrongs don't make a right". If I was an outsider reading this post and was sitting on the fence post's like yours would push me to oppose the cable park. Most people that know you can probably see that you are just passionate about the cable park, but this is doing nothing but making the opposition stronger.
Take a page from the book of nak and try to respond with intelligent well reasoned arguments. You might not win anyone over, but you at least won't do anything to hurt your position.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Fri May 11, 12 10:42 am |
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Word.
| Kodiak wrote: | Many others consider that weak as well, but that doesn't mean your posts are at all helpful. I am sure you have heard the saying "two wrongs don't make a right". If I was an outsider reading this post and was sitting on the fence post's like yours would push me to oppose the cable park. Most people that know you can probably see that you are just passionate about the cable park, but this is doing nothing but making the opposition stronger.
Take a page from the book of nak and try to respond with intelligent well reasoned arguments. You might not win anyone over, but you at least won't do anything to hurt your position. |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Fri May 11, 12 12:30 pm |
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| I deleted the worst two messages, though one of them is still quoted.
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Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
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| Fri May 11, 12 3:27 pm |
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| Kodiak wrote: | | Inept_Fun wrote: | | cosmodog wrote: | | Quote: | Im not violent, but you dont need to be violent to make sure someone doesnt have fun on the water!
If they want to block the cable park, then why shouldnt i try and block them from kiting anywhere near me? |
Damn this is weak shit. This crap is worse than the guy who wants to sue. You are not helping your cause with veiled threats about messing with another kiter on the water. Weak. |
I would consider "weak shit" trying to stop a great thing from happening in the community because you want to paddle a kayak around in dirty water... |
Many others consider that weak as well, but that doesn't mean your posts are at all helpful. I am sure you have heard the saying "two wrongs don't make a right". If I was an outsider reading this post and was sitting on the fence post's like yours would push me to oppose the cable park. Most people that know you can probably see that you are just passionate about the cable park, but this is doing nothing but making the opposition stronger.
Take a page from the book of nak and try to respond with intelligent well reasoned arguments. You might not win anyone over, but you at least won't do anything to hurt your position. |
I was thinking more along the lines of you get what you give, but it is true that two wrongs don't make a right. I think its sad if people are actually believing the BS that the "friends" are slinging. Like I have said before its the reasons they are fighting the cable park which make me angry. All they do is make speculations about things and then act like they actually know what they are talking about. I also applaud Nak for his posts, but the "friends" really don't seem to get the message, so I just thought maybe the low road was more understandable for them. I should prolly just let their posts speak for themselves, Im sure everything that Scooter has posted on here thus far is enough to make anyone doubt their cause...
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DROCK999
Since 31 May 2007
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| Mon May 14, 12 8:09 pm |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Tue May 15, 12 11:42 am |
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Best idea you've come up with lately. A party is never a bad idea!
| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | | I think the best thing that those that want a cable park can do is throw a huge party down at the event site to show your support and get the facts of the development out there. |
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OG
Since 07 Jun 2011
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| Tue May 15, 12 12:33 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | In all honesty guys, I wouldn't be too concerned over "the friends" and their "reems of scientific reports". You could fill a tractor trailer (probably two really) with salmon related studies. Is there a study that says the boat basin is critical salmon habitat? No there isn't it. Is the boat basin or near shore habitat listed in the hood river basin's salmon recovery plan? Nope. Yes they can submit their comments and yes they can even sue. That is the great thing about the country, you don't even have to have a reason to sue. But the project will be reviewed objectively by people that actually can evaluate habitat and the potential impacts of developments. There are pros and cons to everything but I really don't see how they can prevent this project on the grounds of ESA protected fish impacts.
Will the cable park impact salmon..probably, pretty much anything you put in the water impacts salmon. Does the corps and national marine fisheries absolutely forbid building anything that might impact salmon? Of course not. Look at the shoreline of lake wahington..its the dock gaunlet of death for juvinile salmon..there are even stidies that prove it...but you can still build a dock there..ypu just need to follow the rules. Some may see the decoupling of the applications as some sort of weakness but in terms of strategic advantage for permitting on federal and state levels it's actually a pretty good thing. I think the ideal thing would be to put it up for a vote.. But then again, it IS the ports property and they can do as the please when it comes down to it.
So don't despair..and certainly don't threaten people, that is just silly. I think the best thing that those that want a cable park can do is throw a huge party down at the event site to show your support and get the facts of the development out there. |
did you become a budhist or something? Great info, and i think it probably some of the most intelligent coaching as it relates to the issues at hand, just different than what i usually read from you.
thx for the enlightening dewd. good shit
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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(not quite as impressive as the Coney Island Cable)
