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PostTue May 08, 12 11:50 am    Some people just have to be Dicks for Dicksake Reply with quote

Scooter Asshat seems like such a waste of flesh. Can we commission a study to determine his relevance to the community.
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PostTue May 08, 12 11:53 am     Reply with quote

Scooter makes me angry Evil or Very Mad
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PostTue May 08, 12 11:54 am     Reply with quote

Please do not speak for us, Forrest.

I was kind enough to visit with your group with you and share what I could about our motives. We are a diverse group who have a multitude of complaints and concerns regarding both the proposed developments and the process by which they have been dealt with.

We have every interest in keeping the cable park out of the basin. That has not been a secret. We will use every means available to do so.

As an open forum I will continue to comment here especially when you choose to speak for us or characterize us improperly.

We feel that the real "treasure" here is the basin itself and will do everything in our power to protect if for the public good. Your arguments that the cable park is best for the city is dead wrong. You will continue to fight as will we.

See you at the DLS meetings and then the Army corps meetings if Naito decides to re apply for the cable park.

Otherwise we will hold Naito to the strick letter of the law when it comes to hotel and commercial building. I'm sure they will abide in order to get that project done but I don't see them trying for the cable park.

Enjoy the day.
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PostTue May 08, 12 12:08 pm     Reply with quote

man this thread is so busy. I have trouble keeping up with all this debate and hostility.
it seems like such a big battle between "them" and "us"
look that place (boat basin) is currently an eyesore, anything they do to it will "enhance" the area. I can't imagine anyone enjoying the peace and serenity of paddle boarding in there looking at that windwing building
if this is such a legal shitstorm, just have naito take a backhoe to that big dirt parking lot between the freeway and eventsite and dig a a big hole and make the slider park there. sounds like it would be much easier to do than fight the opposition and government agencies now involved. okay the microwave's done, time to get some more popcorn

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PostTue May 08, 12 12:30 pm     Reply with quote

Im just gonna come one here, say a bunch of shit, back it up with no facts, and then fight for it like its true. I wish we could all be as ignorant as Scooter and his cronies.
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forrest

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PostTue May 08, 12 1:08 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for visiting with our group, but please don't pat yourself on the back for it. Being that only you and Linda attended, separately, you are characterizing your group. You are characterizing your group as not interesting in "community building", and instead trying to keep the boat basin for your small group of kayaking friends.

Your group is isolating itself from the community. Your group is isolating kayaking from this community by refusing to at least listen to the people who'd like the option to use the boat basin for something other than what you want it for.

If you think I'm miss-characterizing your group, prove it by showing some character. Prove it by getting your group to opening its ears.

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Please do not speak for us, Forrest.

I was kind enough to visit with your group with you and share what I could about our motives. We are a diverse group who have a multitude of complaints and concerns regarding both the proposed developments and the process by which they have been dealt with.

We have every interest in keeping the cable park out of the basin. That has not been a secret. We will use every means available to do so.

As an open forum I will continue to comment here especially when you choose to speak for us or characterize us improperly.

We feel that the real "treasure" here is the basin itself and will do everything in our power to protect if for the public good. Your arguments that the cable park is best for the city is dead wrong. You will continue to fight as will we.

See you at the DLS meetings and then the Army corps meetings if Naito decides to re apply for the cable park.

Otherwise we will hold Naito to the strick letter of the law when it comes to hotel and commercial building. I'm sure they will abide in order to get that project done but I don't see them trying for the cable park.

Enjoy the day.
Derek

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PostTue May 08, 12 1:18 pm     Reply with quote

scooter wrote:
Your arguments that the cable park is best for the city is dead wrong.


so let the city decide. seems there are LOCAL processes in place to determine what is best for the city.

but if the answer is one that you don't want to hear...

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PostTue May 08, 12 1:24 pm     Reply with quote

The double standard here is insane, Forrest.

You are complaining that we want to keep the basin for just ourselves when in actuality we are trying to preserve for the ENTIRE PUBLIC!!!!!!!

And you want the basin for a cable park that will EXCLUDE the public much of the year and daylight hours of operation.

We are more than willing to listen but Like I said before we are not negotiating.

I don't need a pat on the back but as along as you keep bringing up the issue I could say the very same thing to you.

You are a small group of kiters. We are a small group of citizens who don't want to give you what is rightfully ours.

Challenge it in court if you like. We will.

Derek

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PostTue May 08, 12 2:12 pm     Reply with quote

scooter wrote:
The double standard here is insane, Forrest.

You are complaining that we want to keep the basin for just ourselves when in actuality we are trying to preserve for the ENTIRE PUBLIC!!!!!!!

And you want the basin for a cable park that will EXCLUDE the public much of the year and daylight hours of operation.

We are more than willing to listen but Like I said before we are not negotiating.

I don't need a pat on the back but as along as you keep bringing up the issue I could say the very same thing to you.

You are a small group of kiters. We are a small group of citizens who don't want to give you what is rightfully ours.

Challenge it in court if you like. We will.

Derek


Scooter your level of ignorance is so incredible, do you actually exist, or are you just the troll of the century?? Your right the people who use the boat basin right now far outnumber those who will use the cable park. GTFO of here. Your right the boat basin as it is now has done so much for the community, gosh over the years I cant think of how horrible hood river would have been the last 16 years of my life if it wasn't for the boat basin. All the fishies and incredibly clean water down there. You live in a dream world buddy. The fact that you are willing to waste so much time and money fighting for "your" boat basin is pretty funny. Its funnier even that you are complaining that you want to use it for the purposes you do. Grow some balls and go ride your kayak down a real river...

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PostTue May 08, 12 2:28 pm     Reply with quote

scooter wrote:

You are complaining that we want to keep the basin for just ourselves when in actuality we are trying to preserve for the ENTIRE PUBLIC!!!!!!!

And you want the basin for a cable park that will EXCLUDE the public much of the year and daylight hours of operation.


Interesting tactic scooter. Ignore the posts that logically prove your statement quoted here is completely and utterly false. Ignore any facts that contradict your position. Get angry when confronted with facts that prove you're wrong. Refuse to present any of your own facts or arguments, keeping them "shrouded in mystery".

Yes you may win in court. Do you think that proves you're right? How about the big bank--un-named here because I don't want to be sued--that forecloses on people's homes because they pay their home loan payments 7 days early? You think that's right because the bank won in court? I don't think that's right. I think it proves what a greedy bunch of bastards the bank is for using poorly written laws to take advantage of the public. Is that who your group is? A bunch of greedy people who use poorly written laws to take advantage of the public? Because that's what you sound like.

You and your group ignore arguments and facts that contradict your position. You'll use salmon as leverage, portraying yourself as environmentalists. But a reasonable and logical argument that your position is detrimental to the salmon is characterized as an "attack". You don't even bother to research the possibility that the argument is valid. Those are not the actions of an environmentally concerned citizen. Those are the actions of someone looking for any reason to support their greedy position.

You claim multiple fish biologists support your position, but ignore requests to name them. You ignore requests to provide reference for an ODFW report. In short, you refuse to argue the facts, relying on emotion instead. Those are the actions of someone who knows the facts are not on their side. If you had the facts, you'd argue the facts. You have not done that, not once. Not one single, solitary, fact have you presented to show that your position is anything other than a few greedy people that want the public to pay for their private lake.

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PostTue May 08, 12 2:33 pm     Reply with quote

You believe that you're protecting it for the entire public, but your group has not been named the "entire public protector". The fact that your group is trying is insulting. You don't get to determine what is best for the entire public. You've fragmented the public into two groups, and you are fighting for YOUR version of a boat basin, not the "ENTIRE PUBLIC!!!!!!!" version. You're views are boarder line religious, lack fact, and are incredibly close minded. How do you expect it to feel around here? A lot like Washington, D.C. I'm afraid.

Enjoy court, life is to short, and this debate too retarded.

scooter wrote:
The double standard here is insane, Forrest.

You are complaining that we want to keep the basin for just ourselves when in actuality we are trying to preserve for the ENTIRE PUBLIC!!!!!!!

And you want the basin for a cable park that will EXCLUDE the public much of the year and daylight hours of operation.

We are more than willing to listen but Like I said before we are not negotiating.

I don't need a pat on the back but as along as you keep bringing up the issue I could say the very same thing to you.

You are a small group of kiters. We are a small group of citizens who don't want to give you what is rightfully ours.

Challenge it in court if you like. We will.

Derek

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PostTue May 08, 12 2:59 pm     Reply with quote

Nak, You can look up the public record and find the biologist that recommends the study. I won't be making that arguments here and I won't be doing any homework for you. We are very confident in our legal standing.

If a big corporation from Portland was wanting to build an amusement park ride on the sandbar you would be doing the exact same thing I am. It's time you were all honest with yourselves. You are asking for something that is ours and we don't want to give it up without a fight. I don't pretend to speak for the entire public but for those who join us in our fight.

I have never said that more people use the basin now than a cable park would bring. I would bet you I could get even more people in town with a Thomas the train ride in the basin but we wouldn't want that either. I have though, argued that in terms of demographics you are the minority here. The general public has the law on its side and it is up to you or Naito to prove to us why you should be given public waters. Is it because it would be fun and neat? Is it economical? A strip mall would do much better financially. The cable park only has 21 parking spots in the app. How is giving up the basin worth the money that only 21 parking spaces would bring in?

I'm not a holier than thou zealot any more than those of you who are chiding me for my position. You have your position and I have mine. You don't have to read my posts or participate in this public forum.

The public will have an impact on certain aspects of this project as will the Port, the State of Oregon, and the Feds. I am more than happy to let this play out there and see what happens but we will fight for what we think is right.

The south and west banks of the basin will in fact be developed one day. When there is a nice path and perhaps a beach the public will enjoy using the basin without a cable park blocking it off. I think that will have a much great economical impact on the property values of the port and on the kind of tourism and visitors we get here in town. Put all your eggs in the cable park and windsports crowd and we risk painting ourselves into a corner economically. What do they say about stock portfolios? Diversify,diversify, diversify!!

That is our vision of whats best for Hood River. I understand if you don't think that way or like that that will ruin all your fun. I'm sorry that is the case. If we are wrong than you win. I'm ok with that as well.

Either way Hood River will survive and we will move forward and enjoy our lives here.

Thanks for reading.
Derek

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PostTue May 08, 12 3:10 pm     Reply with quote

scooter wrote:
...You are asking for something that is ours and we don't want to give it up without a fight. I don't pretend to speak for the entire public but for those who join us in our fight.


Finally, a nugget of truth from scooter and "The Friends Of The Hood River Waterfront". Finally you admit that you are a couple of dozen people who want the basin for their very own private lake at the public's expense. Why couldn't you just admit the truth earlier? I will be quoting you on this again Derek.

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PostTue May 08, 12 4:58 pm     Reply with quote

Just did a search and found this Letter to the Editor by Derek
I allready found him laughable but this letter is absurd. Excerpts Quoted below
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April 27, 2012

Don't allow cable park

Naito's plan to close off the boat basin to the public and dedicate it to exclusive for-profit use by a Portland-based developer would set a terrible precedent. Closing off public property owned by the Port of Hood River and thus all Hood River residents to the large number of kayakers, stand-up paddlers, swimmers and beginning windsurfers who use it today would be both unfair and unwise.

While there are dueling legal opinions, restricting public access to publicly owned navigable waters would at least open the door to a precedent-setting legal fight that would leave the boat basin in limbo for many years to come.

The planned cable "park" would also bring a feel to the Hood River waterfront that is one part Coney Island and one part industrial construction site. It would include a spider's web of metal cables that would be suspended by seven "masts" 35 feet in height that look like construction cranes.

These crane-like structures would support motor-driven tow lines that would rip around the basin at high speeds. This infrastructure, as well as more than 10,000 square feet of new docks and floating walkways, would be secured into the riverbed with more than 280 concrete anchors each weighing 300 pounds.

Finally, it is a unique type of off-river habitat that is known to be very important for young salmon.

Derek Bell and Linda Maddox

Co-chairs, Friends of the Hood River Waterfront

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PostTue May 08, 12 5:38 pm     Reply with quote

K4L wrote:
Just did a search and found this Letter to the Editor by Derek
April 27, 2012
...
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Derek Bell and Linda Maddox

Co-chairs, Friends of the Hood River Waterfront


Wow! Is that a real quote from a post scooter made?!?! Apparently he's a liar as well...

From the other thread:
scooter wrote:
I'm actually not in charge of our group and am taking my marching orders from others. I'm just the only one with a NWkite account and wanted to help you guys understand some of our positions.


OK scooter, what's up? How can you be a "Co-chair" and yet taking your marching orders from others? Is this a different Derek? I'd hope so, cause if not Derek/scooter, you're just a liar. Verify you're a different Derek and I'll apologize.

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PostTue May 08, 12 7:48 pm     Reply with quote

Now you are calling me a liar. Lovely.

I am in fact a co-chair of Friend of the Hood River waterfront and when I said that I take my orders from others I was being truthful. Just because I am co-chair does not make me in charge. We have several very talented attorneys who have given their time and free legal expertise to navigate a very convoluted and confusing process and I take their advice as do the rest of our group.

Quote me all you want. When I say that we are not going to give up the basin without out a fight I mean that "we the public' will not give it up. It is ours. the public owns that water. You want it and we don't want you to build an amusement park ride in it. It's pretty simple. This is not a democratic process in terms of the water rights issues. There are US and State law that will keep the cable park from being built in our public river. That is exactly why there isn't one US cable park in a public river. They are all in lakes or dug out ponds.

Spend less time on your ad hominem attacks and more time learning the process and laws surrounding public water rights and you will be served much better in your efforts.

The more people hear about what a cable park is and what will become of the basin the less support your position gets. I hear from people all over town. Hell, I have even heard it from Kiters in the community that know that their is a double standard in your wanting to take a publicly held basin away. Again, you would be arguing using the same laws if the tables were turned.

Keep the discussion to the issues and don't make this personal. It makes you guys look desperate.

Derek

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