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MEwing5000
Since 14 Nov 2005
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There's always a few that ruin it for the rest. I think the problem lies more with the owner's than the dog's. We always have our dog at our beaches and never have a problem. Most beaches I would argue that dog's are fine but in this case I can understand the problem, the sand bar is very busy and most that kite there are less experienced which can cause a problem. As a general rule I love letting our dog off leash while we kite and hope this wouldn't become a popular policy at other beaches.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| Wed May 20, 09 8:56 am |
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| tstansbury wrote: | | some of these personal attacks and threats are way out of hand this needs to be locked |
I kind of agree but at the same time, I think it is an important discussion. Unfortunately some folks seem to want to act like 14 yo's (bonnetti) and say the discussion is gay when clearly, it is not gay when a dog tears holes in your kite or gets tangled in your lines, or you step in a pile of dog shit...that is not gay, its lame. VERY lame.
This is a really tough subject as not all dogs are created equal just like dog owners. I've seen gmans poodle pretty much chillin all day and I've seen Yoda nervously shivering and basically being neurotic but in the end, completely harmless. On the other side of the coin, you have some dogs that are going completely ape shit running all OVER the place, and my favorite, standing in place and barking and barking and barking and barking and barking and barking at all the kiters.
PKH has a good point, in the winter, its chill because its not that crowded. In the summer time though... its a completely different story. Its already a zoo, do we need to add animals as well? If dogs are damaging equipment and increasing risks, then my take is that something should probably be done about it, at least during the busy summer months. The bottom line is the sand bar is used for kiting during the summer, it is not a dog park...period. I like dogs that are well behaved and have had many over the years. I loathe those that are not, mostly because an unbehaved dog is simply a sign that the owners have no clue how to train and take care of an animal.
People should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't effect others. you want to drink beer? fine with me..what do I care. You can smoke crack on the sand bar as long as you don't mess with my stuff. The problem is that some dogs create serious problems for others and the owners are not there to deal with it. What am I supposed to do if some dog takes a shit or rips my kite and the owner is not around? Spend my afternoon holding the dog and waiting for the owner? Unfortunately, it comes down to having some rules and correct me if I'm wrong, most rules and laws don't come with qualifying conditions. "you have to pay to park here, unless your just going to be like 3 minutes". " No admittance after dark, unless your not really hurting anything". Its yes or no. You can have dogs on the sand bar or you simply cannot have dogs.
Let that decision be made after observing the actions of dogs over the course of the summer. Dog owners should probably be aware that it is THEIR ACTIONS THAT WILL GET DOGS BANNED , not because some people are "dog haters". Play with your dogs all you want on the sand bar when your their. Going in the water, put your dog on a leash. If you are of the mindset that its not fair to have your PET on a leash, you should remember that it is not fair to other PEOPLE to have them run free. I realize people get attached and pets are a "member of the family" just don't forget that they are, indeed, just animals. |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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| Wed May 20, 09 8:58 am |
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| tstansbury wrote: | | some of these personal attacks and threats are way out of hand this needs to be locked |
They seem to be mostly coming from one person so I just banned him. I would have just deleted the posts and called it a day, but this wasn't really the first time. |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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| Wed May 20, 09 9:07 am |
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| If you have a lot of trouble with dogs at the Sandbar, you should consider my approach... 20 feet of cheap rope. |
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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
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Rowena and P.C
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| Wed May 20, 09 9:11 am |
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| very nice solution thank you. As to the problem It does need to be discussed and it should be rembered that it was used as a dog park before kiteboarding. So a totall ban may not work. The real problem is with kiters dogs when it is windy I doubt their are many non kiters out walking their dogs. |
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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Doin' The Dalles
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| Wed May 20, 09 9:25 am |
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Dogs rock. Responsible pet owners and Forum admins rock even more as they balance common sense and courtesy.
Also, kudos to whoever installed the Poop Bag Pole by the kite drying area at the Event site. Keeping it simple people.  |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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| Wed May 20, 09 9:27 am |
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I think Lance has a point. This is a human issue. We just need to stop talking about this as a dog issue, and deal with human owners on a case by case basis through the proper channels.
My recommendation is to tie the dog up and call Hood River Sheriff Animal Control Unit: 541 386 2711. Program that number into your address book so you'll be prepared. |
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Snowy
Since 30 Jun 2007
93 Posts
Ocean
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| Wed May 20, 09 9:43 am |
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Whoahhh! It's my owner-- not me, I'm just a dog!
(Just don't tie me to a bumper!)
Whoahhh!
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C Johnson
Since 17 Apr 2009
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Seattle
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:15 am |
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sounds like a good small business opportunity for a non-kiter.
doggie daycare at the spit. "we take your dog of your hands and off your kite"
could have another small business opportunity like a kite guard. basically someone who would get in the line of fire between a dog and your kite.
I agree if the spit was a dog park back before kites that its probably morally wrong to ban dogs there.
still though. I think the responsibility lies with the owner.
lets face it. its just plane lazy and irresponsible to let your dog run wild through other people's stuff while you go do something else like....go kiting.
you wouldn't let your child out of your site around a bunch of dangerous kites. why on earth would you allow an animal to have that responsibility?
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TheKid
Since 20 May 2009
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:17 am |
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Fuck this forum you fags blocked me cause I spoke my mind what a gay forum!!!!
You guys don't like what you see and block the person out, I've seen it happen befor and now your pussy ass did it to me!!!!
FUCK NWKITE!!!!
Thanks Gay Phill!!! |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
6081 Posts
forever labled as the
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:31 am |
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| C Johnson wrote: |
could have another small business opportunity like a kite guard. basically someone who would get in the line of fire between a dog and your kite.
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30-06 with silencer and high power scope. |
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TheKid
Since 20 May 2009
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:34 am |
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Fuck this forum you fags blocked me cause I spoke my mind what a gay forum!!!!
You guys don't like what you see and block the person out, I've seen it happen befor and now your pussy ass did it to me!!!!
FUCK NWKITE!!!!
Thanks Gay Phill!!! |
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C Johnson
Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:36 am |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | | C Johnson wrote: |
could have another small business opportunity like a kite guard. basically someone who would get in the line of fire between a dog and your kite.
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30-06 with silencer and high power scope. |
not exactly what I was thinking but definitely effective....
make sure you're up in the cliffs and have good camo. on second thought you're probably SOL no matter what considering there's an industry leading UAV manufacturer right across the river. they'll track you with Infa-Red |
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Scribble
Since 18 Nov 2005
636 Posts
NoPo
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:44 am |
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| Geez doesn't Bonetti pimp gear? I wouldn't want that person pimping my gear if I had any to pimp. |
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pappas
Since 10 Jun 2007
58 Posts
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:52 am Just a Hater? |
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Maybe we should turn Shawn Richmond onto this post and see how much longer this dude pimps for Wainman... At least his true colors are running thick on this post.
Dogs rule, people suck. Be responsible people...
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C Johnson
Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:53 am |
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I think there's a chance bonetti could indeed be a dog.
I mean based off of the posts it looks like all higher level thinking is completely absent.
civilized logic, reason, understanding and being considerate for others all seem to be missing. |
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Chooch
Since 18 Nov 2007
1871 Posts
Wicked Pissah
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| Wed May 20, 09 10:56 am |
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Just to clear things up Bonetti does not ride for Wainman Hawaii, he is a shop rider down in california that happens to carry Wainman Hawaii.
I really am sorry about the way he acted...totally uncalled for. I hope everyone can look past this cuz that is not what Wainman Hawaii or myself as a rep are all about 
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