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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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Regards shred,
I suggest we limit safety conversations to safety threads,
as they are of no comfort to a decease's family;
that they tend to insult;
as no safety conversation has ever managed to rise much above the level of common sense.
Well, there have been exceptions, but those consisted of pure speculation and wishful thinking mostly.
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The link to the promo video is now dead.
No biggie, if you've seen one you've seen them all, and the common sense is glaringly absent.
I have to assume you read the KF thread (you referenced down low)
You say,
"...But why keep it on the down-low? The people who are going to get into it are going to get into it anyway - the best we can do is emphasize safe practices..."
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Well shred, then keeping it on the down low can do no harm can it??
EH? you said it, I fully agree...
Now about these "safe practices"...
You got your common promo vids, your big airs , your sliders, your beach buzzing...your unhooked stuff, your dangling, these are the practices the newb sees when he goes to the shore.
Seeing the irony yet?
And the dead guy, what about him? who here hasn't failed to stick the landing? common error I'd say,
and these 6m kites, what are they for?
It don't take long to "progress" (the sport) does it?
wink !
It all seems pretty clear to me, think about it, and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
Thanks for the reply
Regards
fo
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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Blah-ba-de-fucking blah. Since when did pushing your physical limits become about a lack of common sense anyways? What, I want to progress, get better, and yes, beat my body up in the process now I'm in the shit for brains category? I hope some casual beach goer doesn't see me, their life would be in jeopardy if they tried something new and yes, risky. They should stop airing the Olympics on TV, you could break your neck trying that stuff!! Come on people, its totally reckless!! I tried a back handspring after watching the Olympics and knocked the wind you of myself. Gymnastics is NOT safe enough for anyone to try!! But here they are on TV, spinning and flipping for all the ooohs and aaahs. Reckless and irresponsible if you ask me.
At any rate, I considered today my first real "summer" session so as is typical every year, I am looking forward to the lame ass postings fading into the background so everyone can get back to the business at hand. Begging, borrowing, and stealing what whatever time they can from loved ones and employers to go out and KITE!!
Great to be out on the water today. 70 and sunny!! Decent, albeit short lived wind. Nice to see everyone out, its going to be another great summer!! (soon as I remember how to control my kite unhooked again )- Its a pop, , its a railey, its its SUPER DANGLE!!! 
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Sun Apr 19, 09 8:46 am |
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Q. Since when did pushing your physical limits become about a lack of common sense anyways?
A. Every time someone dies.
I knew you'd get it in time...
Kudos
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Yardsale
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| Kataku2k3 wrote: |
I got hit by a car riding my bike home from school in the 7th grade [back in '98], and without my helmet I'd most likely be dead! |
How long did it take you to adjust to your disfigurement?....... 
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Sun Apr 19, 09 5:38 pm |
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| fokiten wrote: | Q. Since when did pushing your physical limits become about a lack of common sense anyways?
A. Every time someone dies.
I knew you'd get it in time...
Kudos |
Oh I see, so its common sense not to drive on the freeway then. OK, got it. Thanks for the sage like advice Hanibal.
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Sun Apr 19, 09 8:52 pm |
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Not exactly...
It's common sense not to handle venomous snakes though some Baptists 1%-ers swear it's just the fucking bomb.
More like that...
Keep working on it.
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Margret, where's my Mamba? I need a sess
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Sun Apr 19, 09 8:59 pm |
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| fokiten wrote: | Q. Since when did pushing your physical limits become about a lack of common sense anyways?
A. Every time someone dies.
I knew you'd get it in time...
Kudos |
Fo - gettign in a pissing match with monkey is rather entertaining for most of us - but generally not all that productive.
I have tried reading your posts and tried figuring out what you are trying to say. Are you saying we shouldn't try and progress? Should we all just mow the lawn every time we head out? Should we just give up kiting cus its too dangerous cus even mowing the lawn you have to progress from being a newb into staying upwind.
What exactly are you saying man?
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bwd
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err. nice rantations, folks.
The thing that jumps out about all the post carolina deathloop talk is
Water.
Not enough of it.
Diving 10m you need a 5m pool.
If you dive straight in (unlikely for a kiter) you stop in 4-5m.
Falling 10m, you will penetrate at least 2m into the water
(unless you land flat, which could incapacitate you anyway).
Even from 3 or 5m, for diving a 4m pool is required. Just something to think on.
Common sense: go out where it's over your head before you do a mega-loop-to-splat!
Push the limits of skill, not luck!
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 8:44 am |
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there ya go...
ya do your "he was stupid" -I have a genius solution right here stuff- in threads like these...
Buttressed by the other helmet's (condom) with scientific safety reservoir tip posts; the folks who cannot seem to understand???
the whole point of this thread is, you do not speculate, call the dead guy dumb, and engage in insultingly simplistic solutions when his widow and children maybe reading.
It's just so very, very wrong...
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 8:48 am |
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The part that makes sense to me is that safety discussions and mourning the loss of an accident victim don't go hand in hand, simply out of respect. I buy that.
I think fo is pointing out that saying the sport is safe while throwing powered kite loops on a public beach is somewhat of a paradox, maybe even hypocrisy. I don't think his point isn't that we shouldn't push limits, I think his point is that we shouldn't talk about pushing the danger boundary out of one side of our collective mouth while telling the public to try kiting because it's safe and approachable out of the other.
Am I close fo?
I see maybe the same problem in the bicycling world. There's a (vocal) faction that advocates making our presence known in order to improve our rights to the road while there's another pushing to build bike lanes and pass helmet laws so we save ourselves from ourselves. Then there are people like me who train hard and mind our own business but we still get lumped into the "bike community" and get stuff thrown at us and get chastised on days we leave our helmets at home. I know and obey laws and frankly don't care if I piss people off who think I'm in the wrong, but I do wear my helmet not just for my own safety but because children often see me riding and I want to set an example. Of course as monkey points out I could just stay home and not get hit by a car and die, as the press would have you believe is an inevitable statistic.
And yes, in the bike world when someone gets killed, the first thing the press does is criticize the safety (or lack thereof) of the situation. (Note that you won't read an article about a bicycling accident without seeing the line "the rider was/not wearing a helmet").
Any "community" will have endless debates about protocol, just like this one, and outside perception will continue to be shaped by random events and how the community reacts to it.
Thank goodness the wind is coming back, eh? 
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shred_da_gorge
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 8:51 am |
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Timing is everything... 
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fokiten
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 8:57 am |
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Gold star shred...
It's my persistence to illuminate this paradox that sees my voice banished from the big forum.
thanks man
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fo
to exploit the word safety to sell this activity to the unsuspecting is criminal.
just my opinion, dead is dead, and it can happen to any of us in the blink of an eye...
It's an enticingly simple activity that lacks forgiveness.
to be clear, it's not like the bike world--when someone dies kiting the deceased takes another hit, a simplistic solution is sighted
then it's yup,
safety, safety, get your safety here, we got your safety right here, heard the news? safe now, Say now little lady i'm so stoked you came to me---just pull this thing here before you go balistic...
it's called a safety, sweet eh?
safety, safety, get your safety from us....
a little strong maybe...but not far off
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 9:43 am |
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| fokiten wrote: |
It's my persistence to illuminate this paradox that sees my voice banished from the big forum. |
yeah, I'm sure that is the reason.
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kyle.vh
Since 11 Jul 2007
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 9:48 am |
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| shred_da_gorge wrote: | | The part that makes sense to me is that safety discussions and mourning the loss of an accident victim don't go hand in hand, simply out of respect. I buy that. |
I hear you shred. But, that's your opinion on the matter. The truth is that its is common on this forum and natural to bring up safety when we experience death. Think of it as an attempt understand something difficult or for the life not to have been lost in vain.
What is indisputably disrespectful is fo' to swear at and call-out other members of the forum who have ONLY good intentions and invite them to argue with him--from a mourning thread. His garbled defense for his actions (only understandable as they've been interpreted by you) is a near-paranoid delusion that everyone in the mourning thread part of a conspiracy trying to pimp helmets to unsuspecting victims.
If you want to argue about safety, fine, but--START it in another post.
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fokiten
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 10:08 am |
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I think what Kyle is trying to say,
is that it is only natural to assign the blame for a kiting death to the victim;
that such efforts are made in the interest's of kiting and preserving access , and so can only be viewed as productive.
that about right Kyle?
what can we learn from this?
So tell me Kyle what have you learned from this tragic death by kite?
Let's take something positive away from this family's loss...
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kyle.vh
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 10:49 am |
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| fokiten wrote: |
So tell me Kyle what have you learned from this tragic death by kite?
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I learned that fo' is willing to pick a fight at a funeral to draw attention to himself.
I'm sure his comments were very comforting to the family...
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bwd
Since 04 Aug 2007
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| Mon Apr 20, 09 11:12 am |
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| Quote: | | the whole point of this thread is |
determined by the sum of what is contributed, actually.
Rhetoric and argument contribute little.
I give some facts to think about, for any who care,
and characterize a risky move
in a way that denotes the risk: death.
And fo, facts are facts, not grist for a junior rhetoric mill.
That's all.
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