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tautologies
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It is correct that some oil producers "struggle" when the price is as low as now. The price of getting oil out of the ground is incredible different from country to country and method to method (of course).
The oil price is more related to the high dollar value right now. Not so much supply and more the lack of demand in anticipation of the looming economical crisis..which will deepen.
I think it is really bad that the gas price is as low.
I really hope the government add a zinger of a tax on it, and get people to convert to more eco-friendly alternatives (myself included).
The last thing the world needs is us burning more oil. |
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HoodRat
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tautologies
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magicmaker
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| Fri Nov 21, 08 12:17 pm |
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pjc
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| Thu Jul 26, 12 12:08 pm |
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i like revisiting this thread.
lot's of interesting discussions, and poor investing advice (nov 2008 was a good time to buy tech stocks, not oil stocks. oh well)
i think $3-4 a gallon is the sweet spot - high enough that they can keep cranking it out as a profit, low enough that we'll still buy it.
i get around 25-30 mpg, good enough that it doesn't matter much. seems like that's what everybody else is shooting for as well, i see lots of smallish cars, not too many suvs or prius's.
getting 15 mpg or less is misery at these prices, but if you double your mileage and cut that bill in half, meh, good enough. |
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Hein
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Blazeheliski
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The article fails to mention that Tesla paid the government back last week in full - with 12 million dollars interest to taxpayers - 9 years early on a 10 year loan........
Tesla and Elon Musk is rockin it! |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Fri May 24, 13 11:09 am |
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And even if Tesla's cars do sell, the policy question is why billionaires in California couldn't have financed the business themselves. Why should middle-class taxpayers whose incomes are falling still pay to subsidize the purchase of cars that only the affluent can afford, and then partly as a gesture of their superior environmental virtue? When does the rest of America get its return on Tesla's profits?
because your are too stupid to know it
just lucky the the gov. knows best
and just fuck Detroit ,oh ya they one got too
so really the gov. is in the auto bus.
I just hope the can come with another Lada
what sweet ride 
"subsidies create displaced workers" |
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Blazeheliski
Since 30 Mar 2011
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| Fri May 24, 13 12:00 pm |
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| blowhard wrote: |
And even if Tesla's cars do sell, the policy question is why billionaires in California couldn't have financed the business themselves. Why should middle-class taxpayers whose incomes are falling still pay to subsidize the purchase of cars that only the affluent can afford, and then partly as a gesture of their superior environmental virtue? When does the rest of America get its return on Tesla's profits?
because your are too stupid to know it
just lucky the the gov. knows best
and just fuck Detroit ,oh ya they one got too
so really the gov. is in the auto bus.
I just hope the can come with another Lada
what sweet ride
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Elon Musk is a billionaire in California, and he used a lot of his money to finance it. He did not have other billionaires that shared his vision. But with Elon's business plan - in a way - millionaires and billionaires from around the world are helping to finance an EV everyone can afford. The premium price for the Roadster (their first car) and the Model S will be the capitol source to build the infrastructure to produce the high volume Bluestar that will sell for about 30K. The Model X comes out next year - a little bit less expensive than the Model S. And in about 3-4 years Tesla will have the infrastructure to build the Gen3 cars for the middle class.
Early adopters are usually pay a premium for a new technology that eventually makes the technology viable for mass production. Currently - Tesla only has the capacity to make about 20,000 cars per year - thus the 80K plus price. They need the capacity to make 100s of thousands of cars per year to sell them for 30K. That is coming. The first cell phones were about $5,000 and only they rich could afford those. Now every drug dealer and crack whore has a cell phone............
I don't agree with any of the auto loans personally. But Elon Musk took advantage of a program that was available to him. The taxpayers lent him 465 million for about a year and he paid it all back last week with 12 million in interest. So the middle class made out OK on that deal. |
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MIXWELL
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| Fri May 24, 13 12:42 pm |
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its only $4.22 here for premium   
Im thinking of just making my old fuel's into wings and just flying everywhere lol!!!   
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ldhr
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| Fri May 24, 13 12:44 pm |
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If the U.S. government doesn't help new technology start-ups.... then we'll fall behind other countries like China that will subsidize research.
Free market enterprise and financial Darwinism make sense..... if the playing field is level. But it's knot. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Fri May 24, 13 1:20 pm |
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"So the middle class made out OK on that deal."
just how did they make out,more cars for rich people?
I was making a case for the Lada ,anyway
"If the U.S. government doesn't help new technology start-ups"
like stem cell research...which could save lot of people lives,
but you wouldn't have to anything,
so that's no brother in law deal
so no.
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Blazeheliski
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| Fri May 24, 13 1:57 pm |
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| blowhard wrote: | "So the middle class made out OK on that deal."
just how did they make out,more cars for rich people?
I was making a case for the Lada ,anyway
"If the U.S. government doesn't help new technology start-ups"
like stem cell research...which could save lot of people lives,
but you wouldn't have to anything,
so that's no brother in law deal
so no.
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Tax payers made 12 million dollars in 1 year. Now there are some nice cars available for rich people to spend their money on (nicest car ever made according to consumer reports) - with that money going to subsidize the production of nice electrics for the middle class in about 3-4 years. Tesla is built in California. It is about 95% American made - more than most cars available today - creating hundreds of middle class jobs for Americans. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Fri May 24, 13 3:12 pm |
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| so thats nice ,were did that go? |
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stevegriffith22
Since 14 May 2006
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I'm just throwing this out there..... I really wish I could have a disel electric F150, that actually didn't cost as much as a entry level Mercedes Benz.....
Or a toyota Tacoma in a diesel......I mean if the undeveloped contries can get them when 50cals in the back, why can't I have one........
Until then, the F150 sits in the garage, next to the expedition and my wife and I will drive the GEO as long as there isn't new snow on the ground at the house. So far driving that used geo saved me 1272 bucks a month in fuel.
Also does anyone know much about the landcruiser conversion to the cummings diesel, I here there are a couple of guys driving them from up in the seattle area......
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Sun May 26, 13 5:06 am |
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if your going to convert to a diesel from a gasser landcruiser you are not going to come out ahead. too much for the yota and the cummins...plus labor and kits = all the fuel savings of driving something nice and or quiet. cool maybe but not the way..
I have a 4bt with 130k on it I will sell ya with rebuilt injection pump in a running step van all aluminum for 4500.00 plus 4-5 k for a crappy yota plus kits and labor ....= no savings.
Maybe cheap blazer or bronco that will bolt up but you best like to wrench to find value.
imho
Pay the money for gas its cheap and convenient,, btw whats the real alternative= nat gas.
theres a conversion for any vehicle and fill it in the garage with another 2k conversion.
bend over
maybe when teslas millionares are done saving the day we can get some  |
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Sun May 26, 13 5:07 am |
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opps
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