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Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
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Hood River
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Hooked in kiteloops definitely take the most skill anyways I mean, you can feel that hip thrust.
Dangling style is by far the sickest eva!!!
Oh yeah and Im sure if Ruben saw that other post with the pictures he would say SICK, those are all legit!!....
NAAAAT!
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bambam
Since 15 Mar 2005
760 Posts
Hood River
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 11:54 am |
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Good to see Eric getting some coverage with Wainman... His riding has skyrocketed in the last 18 months, and he is out killing it these days...
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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
694 Posts
Chucktown
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:14 pm |
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Rienstra rips for sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0hk0hXkLxM
Its not necessarily that the "wake boys" are saying that one style better.
Its a matter of what looks good to other boardsports.
Show a snowboarder a video of people dangling around and the usual response is something like "that's cool I guess."
Show them some dudes throwing down with power and style on sliders and stuff, then they get interested.
Maybe I'm taking it completely out of context, but this quote from Pete Cabrinha in the latest Kiteboarder caught my attention:
| Quote: | | There is a cultural and visual aesthetic that already exists in mainstream board sports that defines today's marketing and advertising. We need to be sure that kiteboarding exists somewhere in that vicinity... If we want to have any chance of broadening kiteboarding's appeal to the critical mainstream, we need to be sure we are relevant to what's happening in today's youth culture. |
What kind of style to you think is relevant?
Wally, why not give wakestyle a shot?
It say it couldn't hurt, but it could.
As far as the photos go, why not just appreciate the photos for Photography's sake!
A good photo is a good photo.
damn, I need some boots!
I did this trying to throw some wakestyle at the ponds
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Kataku2k3
Since 14 Aug 2005
3754 Posts
PDX-LA
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:26 pm |
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Andrew, how'd you do that? I assume that's your Lunacy? Tucker beats the shit out of his stuff, and I haven't even seen him do that to a strap before.   |
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wakeup
Since 11 Sep 2005
328 Posts
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:28 pm |
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i like that shot andrew
well said |
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Pete
Since 29 Oct 2007
844 Posts
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:32 pm |
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"If we want to have any chance of broadening kiteboarding's appeal to the critical mainstream, we need to be sure we are relevant to what's happening in today's youth culture."
So, are you saying that if we don't want kiteboarding to appeal to the critical mainstream, we should dangle without style?
If so, I plan to dangle away! |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
2698 Posts
Still a gojo pimp!
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:38 pm |
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| Pete wrote: | "If we want to have any chance of broadening kiteboarding's appeal to the critical mainstream, we need to be sure we are relevant to what's happening in today's youth culture."
So, are you saying that if we don't want kiteboarding to appeal to the critical mainstream, we should dangle without style?
If so, I plan to dangle away! |
Most definately -
I'm all bout the sport growing and sh*t like that - but you have to think about the launches man. Do we really want a sh*t load more people at our launch sites - some launches are pretty much at capacity - and some beyond. Appeal to the masses? So that way we can get busses of people showing up - just like Meadows?
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kyle.vh
Since 11 Jul 2007
713 Posts
city of angels
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 1:56 pm |
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| stringer wrote: | | I did this trying to throw some wakestyle at the ponds |
Andrew was throwing down hard at the ponds on sat. Not surprised the strap broke. someone should be giving him equipment!
i agree with terremoto- this style question comes up in all sports with sub-disciplines. I was thinking of trad vs. sport climbing. the best advice from that argument seems to be do whatever makes you happy so long as your not interfering with anyone else. |
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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
694 Posts
Chucktown
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:05 pm |
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| Pete wrote: |
So, are you saying that if we don't want kiteboarding to appeal to the critical mainstream, we should dangle without style?
If so, I plan to dangle away! |
No, you'll just attract more old kooks to dangle and bob around in your way.
I'd rather have some kid (or hot chick; mostly hot chick) get in my way throwing stuff that looks cool trying to get respect than some old kook showing off to stroke his ego.
We already have the odds against us for attracting the young crowd (cost, travel, etc)
I do have a ton of respect for the older (no offense, its relative to me) dudes that are working hard to learn how to ride wakestyle.
Mad props to the older guy I saw throwing down in boots at Stevenson this summer! 
Props to MonkeyBoy for figuring it out and even spearheading projects for the kicker and sliders.
Adam, I did that trying to do a double front roll without lift from the kite.
Mucho speed trying to get mucho pop, didn't quite get the board around enough.
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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
694 Posts
Chucktown
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:28 pm |
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That side of the style argument comes from industry types. Andrew that's a sweet picture, post it to the scoop!
The industry types have it right though, it's what's best for the sport. There is some stale stuff that gets published these days. Everything is getting stale. Even the vendors are backing off products for hardcore riders, C kites for example. If this continues, there will be no innovation and the gear will never get better. Last I heard the Fuel was pre-order only and Best isn't making a C kite anymore.
I want to see kiteboarding look like something that is cool for all the upcoming kids. Right now all the growth in kiteboarding is ex-windsurfers who are getting into kiting because the rest of their old windsurfing crew is doing it.
There is the issue of crowds, but no one is going to make sure you get a good session except for you, I'm certainly not worried about it. There is the issue of access, but I know I'm doing my part with the CGKA, what are you doing about it except for NOT encouraging people to get into the sport (which is retarded)?
Keep dangling in front of the camera if you want to see kiteboarding keep going the way of the buffalo. |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
2698 Posts
Still a gojo pimp!
Moto Mouth
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:48 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: |
There is the issue of crowds, but no one is going to make sure you get a good session except for you, I'm certainly not worried about it. There is the issue of access, but I know I'm doing my part with the CGKA, what are you doing about it except for NOT encouraging people to get into the sport (which is retarded)?
Keep dangling in front of the camera if you want to see kiteboarding keep going the way of the buffalo. |
Forrest - I am assuming this comment was directed towards me (at least in part) based upon my previous post. First you asked what I was doing besides being retarded - I am also assisting the CGKA, I have offered my services to help them with their not for profit status which should encourage more donations because the amounts donated will be tax deductible. The CGKA is important to our community and I recognize that - and as the sport grows I feel it will become even more important.
Second, I never said we should stop encouraging people to get involved in the sport man. I am only asking "why" - Why do we need more people in the sport? Its a legitimate question man - and once we do get all these people in the sport what are we going to do with them? We have limited places to launch. It was a question that probably doesn't have a lot of answers now - it was meant to get people to think - I hear a lot about wanting to get this sport to grow and what not - thats great - but why? Is it so we don't become lame? Is it so we get better gear? Again, its a legitimate question. What is the upside to promoting more people in the sport? What is the downside? Its a discussion that will be on going - but it is important none the less.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:50 pm |
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Directed at everyone to get people to think as you said. I don't single anyone out, at least I try not too! Especially you, I know you've been stoked to help with the 501c3 stuff.  We need to get you back on that once you've got some time.
I kinda answered your second part above. It's mostly to prevent stagnation. |
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kyle.vh
Since 11 Jul 2007
713 Posts
city of angels
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:55 pm |
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forrest- you make some really good points about the industry.
but you frame the issue in a really pessimistic light: that danglers are leading the demise. it could be more effective to suggest that the wake crew needs to just work harder to 'prove' themselves (although you guys do seem serious-sliders, winch). also, you're not going to win over danglers by insulting them, even if it is in fun. why not have a wake clinic (maybe you do?). i'd attend.
i dont really wish to see kiting expand much farther. the climbing community certainly pushed it into the mainstream which just dragged a litany of access issues into the forefront. I'd be just as happy to keep the movement somewhat counter-culture.
on a more positive note: with the ponds putting out this weekend plus the BKC's success--it was a great weekend to be a kiter in the NW. |
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jonah
Since 20 Jul 2006
169 Posts
Hood River
Stoked
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 2:59 pm |
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I have a personal preference when it comes to dangle vs. wakestyle. But I feel like my preference could easily change at any moment. My choice comes more from the physical/mental thrill of whatever trick I happen to be working on. While I do appreciate the stylishness of different tricks, I'd really like to see everyone just forget the whole idea of promoting one style of riding over another. All this will do is promote negativity, disrespect, elitism, and anti-diversity.
I feel embarrassed for and saddened by those who espouse one style of riding (or talking, or dressing, or being) over another. While clearly not as bad as racism, the root of this mentality is still the ugly human trait of bigotry (in this sense of the word). Do we really need to create new ways to discriminate against and belittle others? The whole concept of debating the virtues of one style over another smacks of a grade school mentality that is obsessed with popularity, fashion, and cliquishness.
I'm not saying we can't appreciate and discuss style. Almost everyone (myself included) is conscious of how we dress/look/talk/etc, and we enjoy different ways of fitting into (or standing out from) society. But how about if we try to appreciate and discuss style without it becoming a debate over who is better than another?
Let's just all be positive and see the fun & coolness of many different styles. |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
2698 Posts
Still a gojo pimp!
Moto Mouth
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 3:01 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: |
I kinda answered your second part above. It's mostly to prevent stagnation. |
I hear you - it makes sense - people compare the situation to windsurfing. Not very many new windsurfers are entering the sport and they are experiencing a lot of stagnation.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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| Tue Jan 20, 09 3:04 pm |
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Yea, I hear ya Kyle. It's hard to call people's baby's ugly and make people feel good about it.  It's all for the love of the sport and if we have to drag the rest of you with us, we will so take that! Hehe
Hopefully you guys will see this summer with The Slider Project dumping all income (hopefully we'll have income) into features that are beginner friendly, or have some portion that is because we want to see that aspect of the sport grow. |
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