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tstansbury

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 6:58 am    t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

I rode my t3 7 in high wind for the first time fri. I had it set up in 1to 1 mode and it was one of the worst kites I have ever flown It kept shooting forward and falling almost like you were trying to land the kite. when it started to do this you could not get it to come back up it would fall all the way to the water. So I took it home and switched it back to 2to 1 and took it out Sun. afternoon. What a diference this was the best high wind kite I have been on. Both days the wind was close to 40mph and verry gusty. Moral of the story do not fly the t3 7 in 1to 1.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 7:58 am     Reply with quote

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 8:25 am    Re: t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

tstansbury wrote:
I rode my t3 7 in high wind for the first time fri. I had it set up in 1to 1 mode and it was one of the worst kites I have ever flown It kept shooting forward and falling almost like you were trying to land the kite. when it started to do this you could not get it to come back up it would fall all the way to the water. So I took it home and switched it back to 2to 1 and took it out Sun. afternoon. What a diference this was the best high wind kite I have been on. Both days the wind was close to 40mph and verry gusty. Moral of the story do not fly the t3 7 in 1to 1.


That's good to know, I'm thinking about getting a T2 in a 7M. So what does the 2 to 1 feel like compared to a traditional(not mentioning other brands here, Phil!) 1 to 1 bar?

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 9:11 am    Re: t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

KidCorporate wrote:
That's good to know, I'm thinking about getting a T2 in a 7M. So what does the 2 to 1 feel like compared to a traditional(not mentioning other brands here, Phil!) 1 to 1 bar?

I have a T2 7m, its amazing for high wind. I would get a T2, especially if it only woks in high winds with the 2:1 bar, since that's all you'll be using it for.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 9:30 am     Reply with quote

I had only rode 1to1 bars before and am used to the rev. That is why I started out with it in 1to1. In 2to 1 it felt just like a good kite I did not have to adjust to it at all it had plenty of bar feel and was always right wear I wanted it with absolutely huge range.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 9:51 am    Re: t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

Spike wrote:
KidCorporate wrote:
That's good to know, I'm thinking about getting a T2 in a 7M. So what does the 2 to 1 feel like compared to a traditional(not mentioning other brands here, Phil!) 1 to 1 bar?

I have a T2 7m, its amazing for high wind. I would get a T2, especially if it only woks in high winds with the 2:1 bar, since that's all you'll be using it for.


I see. That's maybe what I had figured, that the 2:1 would work for you rather than against you in high winds, taming the ktie somewhat.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 10:58 am    Re: t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

KidCorporate wrote:
I see. That's maybe what I had figured, that the 2:1 would work for you rather than against you in high winds, taming the ktie somewhat.
That, and when your kite gets a gust, it pulls the bar twice as hard as it would in 1:1, this in effect depowers your kite automatically, since in immediately pulls your arm into the extended depower position. Pretty neat. If there was super light bar pressure, the bar won't automatically shift into the depower position because it won't pull on your arms very hard. 2:1 really makes those gusty 40mph winds rideable

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 11:05 am     Reply with quote

gust control was not a problem in 1to 1 it was falling out of sky and turning.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 11:21 am    t3 Reply with quote

You should check with Shymac. Sounds more like you had a problem with the change over.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 11:55 am    Re: t3 good kite bad kite. Reply with quote

Spike wrote:
That, and when your kite gets a gust, it pulls the bar twice as hard as it would in 1:1, this in effect depowers your kite automatically, since in immediately pulls your arm into the extended depower position. Pretty neat. If there was super light bar pressure, the bar won't automatically shift into the depower position because it won't pull on your arms very hard. 2:1 really makes those gusty 40mph winds rideable


ah young padawan, once you get new kites you will learn the ways of light bar pressure and not relying on some pulleys in your kite to automagically depower it.

use the force to read and know what the wind is doing. sheeting out your bar and edging against your board and upwind to deal with gusts accordingly should become just something you do instinctively, IMO. Very Happy

being in the gorge i hate 2:1 where it is gusting all the time and constantly having the bar pulling away from you. i like my bar to be super light and ultimately be able to fly it with either one arm unhooked.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 12:01 pm     Reply with quote

We love teaching with the T3. If anyone is interested in a demo, I can send one down to you so you can try the T3 for yourself. Or if you are ever in Seattle, feel free to give us a call and we can bring one out to the Jetty. Feel free to contact us anytime if you have any questions.
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PostMon Jun 02, 08 1:10 pm     Reply with quote

When you crossed over to 1:1 did you add the extra blue line extension to the original blue extension. If you did not or just added the smaller one and took off the longer one this can have a bad affect to the kites performance?

Thats the only thing i could think that could be making the kite do that. I have flown the 7, 9, 11, and 14 in 1:1 and never had this happen to me. More or less it acts the same but without all the range. The kites in 1:1 can be very grunty in there high end, which can translate to huge floaty air time.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 1:48 pm     Reply with quote

I added the extra extensions at the kite and the conector extension at the bar. It was very windy and gusty but like I said I loved the kite 2to1 so I will just keep it that way.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 2:06 pm     Reply with quote

And I moved the pulley on the kite and the back bridal atachment forward.

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 2:40 pm     Reply with quote

I havent had a chance to fly the T3 in 1:1 but in 2:1 I thought it had way to much bar pressure which also makes it harder to steer one handed. But I am used to almost zero bar pressure, maybe I would like 1:1 mode

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PostMon Jun 02, 08 7:10 pm     Reply with quote

If there is good wind on Saturday or Sunday, we'll try to get some demo T3 kites out on the Sandbar with Amery, Shy, Myself and one or two of my shop staff.

We'll put up a post later in the week to keep you posted.

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PostTue Jun 03, 08 5:06 pm     Reply with quote

I have a T3 quiver this year 7/11/14. After I first flew the 9/14 for a week I posted a review HERE if you want my initial impressions.

I traded the 9 for the 11, and bought a 7. This past weekend I got to fly the 7 a few times in the ocean and really liked it. It is small so of course the turning speed is fast and it was just a blast to downloop and head down the line. Part of what made it such a fantastic day is that I was also out on my SS Fuse for the first time. That board is epic...but that's for another post.

Overall, I think the T3 is a better kite than the T2. Mainly due to lighter bar pressure and the below the bar safety. I have now released the bar on these kites several times and unlike the T2s I have always been able to recover the bar and relaunch. No kite tangles. I have also had some big slack line wrecks (user error) where the kite has flipped around in the water with no line tension...situations where I was sure lines and bridles would get fouled...somehow, everytime the kite comes out clean and relaunches. The setup is really nice.

I have only two complaints worth noting.

1) You have to pump the 11 and smaller kites very firm. There seems to be a lot of tension at that pulley B attachment point and the LE may bend there in a gust if you don't have enough pressure. I'm no kite engineer, but I'm thinking this is an artifact of the shorter bridle redesign. A firm LE takes care of it as does not flying the kite in overpowered conditions which you shouldn't do anyway.

2) The turning speed isn't any faster than last year. I actually didn't think the T2s were slow last year, but it seems that for '08 EVERYBODY is making fast turning kites. So, this year I am noticing the slow turning more than I noticed it last year. Particularly if you are near the top end of the kites (pulling the trim slows 'em down a lot) or you try to use 1:1 mode.

I'd still highly recommend the T3s, though. The 14 is a great lightwind machine and the 7 and 9 have really nice low ends as well. Actually, now that I have the 11 I think I'm going to try to get through the year flying only the 11 and 7 since the low end is nice on all the kites....maybe I'll trade that 14 back in for a 9 if I'm successful. Laughing Relaunch is super easy and as usual the kite is so effortless to keep in the air in lulls and light air. It just doesn't want to land!

Oh well, looks like I just posted another review. Wink

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