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Slappysan
Since 13 Jun 2012
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novocaine
Since 23 Sep 2010
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 Tue Jun 04, 13 3:47 pm why? |
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| Why a climbing harness? There are many reasons why a kite specific harness is used for kiting. I cant think of why you would want to use something else that would be less safe.... |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4280 Posts
Camas
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 4:45 pm |
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| Not a good idea. If it's a matter of too much money to get a kite harness, then you can't afford the sport. If it's just that you think the climbing harness is fine, it's not. |
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Slappysan
Since 13 Jun 2012
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 4:48 pm |
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It's for snow/land, not water.
I can't actually think of any reason a climbing harness is less safe. They are tested and rated 10x more carefully than a kite harness.
As for the ability to unhook, there is no way it would be easier for me to get my 2013 Blade Unibar donkey stick out of my harness hook than unclipping from a carabiner. |
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nwkiterider
Since 15 May 2013
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Kook
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 5:33 pm |
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You should hook up with Ron Cooper,he goes by the name
bulae99 on this site.
It sounds like you two would have a lot incommon.
I think he could help you out with your problems
and in return you could help Ron with his issue. |
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sfbomber
Since 27 Jun 2012
114 Posts
Stoked
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BigR
Since 05 Jul 2005
372 Posts
White Salmon
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 6:42 pm |
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without a spreader bar, I predict you will get the "tightest ass/testie wedgie" ever
bestowed on a kitesurfer. Assuming you have a functional total kite release between
your kite and the carabiner. Without a total kite release you are dead, with one you will merely experience BB syndrome from the squeeze........
BTW , I only use a waist harness, they are much better at absorbing gusts. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4280 Posts
Camas
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 6:49 pm |
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| Slappysan wrote: | It's for snow/land, not water.
I can't actually think of any reason a climbing harness is less safe. They are tested and rated 10x more carefully than a kite harness.
As for the ability to unhook, there is no way it would be easier for me to get my 2013 Blade Unibar donkey stick out of my harness hook than unclipping from a carabiner. |
I'm sure you could make it work, I just said it's not a good idea.
Safety:
1. Are you always going to have the Donkey inserted? Even if so, it would be more difficult to unhook from a carabiner. With a donkey, remove it with one hand and you now have two hands available to unhook. With a carabiner you'll have to use one hand for the carabiner and the other hand to unhook.
2. No strap behind you with the climbing harness. Mountains generally tend not to fly off and drag you around, kites sometimes do. It's awful nice to have a convenient grab handle on your back... I can't count the number of saves I've seen where someone grabbed another kiter by that strap.
Comfort:
Lots of nice padding on the kite harness. I'm not a climber so I can't swear to this, but my guess is there's tension on a kite harness for longer periods of time than a climbing harness.
Again, I'm not saying you couldn't make a climbing harness work; the question is: why would you want to? If a $55 climbing harness was as good as a kite specific harness for kiteboarding, I would think you'd see a lot more of them in use.
If I was going to hang thousands of feet in the air off of a mountain, you can be sure I'd use a climbing harness. If I'm going to go to the effort and expense of going snow kiting, I'd want a harness that would maximize my experience. It just seems like a really bad way to save a couple of bucks. |
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luke
Since 06 Jul 2005
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 6:53 pm |
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A lot of the guys/gals using climbing style harnesses use either a locking biner or they connect directly to the chicken loop. They direct connect by opening the chicken loop (release it) and then treading it though the climbing harness tie-in loops and then re-connecting the chicken loop.
See you on the snow! |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4280 Posts
Camas
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 7:10 pm |
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| luke wrote: | A lot of the guys/gals using climbing style harnesses use either a locking biner or they connect directly to the chicken loop. They direct connect by opening the chicken loop (release it) and then treading it though the climbing harness tie-in loops and then re-connecting the chicken loop.
See you on the snow! |
Really? Is that common? I had no idea... What's the thinking? |
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BeerKite
Since 29 Mar 2011
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 8:21 pm |
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"Are you always going to have the Donkey inserted?"
This may be one of the dirtiest things I've seen on here in a while. |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
702 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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| Tue Jun 04, 13 8:44 pm |
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I use a climbing harness almost always for snowkiting. It's less restrictive to the body and there is less need for the back support since there isn't as much resistance to the pull of the kite.
In higher winds I use a snowkite specific harness and of course kiteboarding I use a seat or waist harness.
It's pretty common for snowkiters up here to use a climbing harness.
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Wind Slither
Since 04 Mar 2005
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The 503
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| Wed Jun 05, 13 5:11 am |
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Safety Nazi's! 
Make sure you know what you're talking about before you jump on people. Otherwise you're no better than Bulaeouthisass99! 
I thought using my climbing harness on my last snowkite trip. A friend loaned his Ozone kite specific harness and DAMN was it comfortable.   |
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
1319 Posts
tsunami
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| Wed Jun 05, 13 6:43 am |
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The biggest reason for the bash is probably that its a seat style
A climbing harness is what you should be using if your doing some gliding ect.
The combination of the two is doable (stacked) but no waist harness is really needed.
You need to try it and figure out what your comfort is.
get a cozy climb harness in a xl size no alpine bod not enough padding. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Wed Jun 05, 13 8:39 am |
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Interesting... You learn something new every day.
I hope I didn't come across as bashing, if so I apologize. Bashing was not my intent... |
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Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
1417 Posts
Hood River
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| Wed Jun 05, 13 1:14 pm |
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| Nak wrote: | Interesting... You learn something new every day.
I hope I didn't come across as bashing, if so I apologize. Bashing was not my intent... |
Snow kiting is Toby and so is trying to use a climbing harness for actual water kiting...
There you go Nak, I made up for your non intentional bashing with some intentional bashing so now hopefully yours will go more un-noticed.
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Sailut
Since 31 May 2005
72 Posts
Utah
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| Wed Jun 05, 13 5:03 pm |
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| Wind Slither wrote: | Safety Nazi's!
Make sure you know what you're talking about before you jump on people. Otherwise you're no better than Bulaeouthisass99!
I thought using my climbing harness on my last snowkite trip. A friend loaned his Ozone kite specific harness and DAMN was it comfortable. |
I prefer the Ozone harness that does not have a spreader bar, for snowkiting.
it has a loop that I have to undo my chicken loop to attach.
Super comfortable and just as safe when it comes to pulling the safety on the chicken loop.
here is a link to a photo. http://tinyurl.com/ksx2pmv
I also have a big caribener there incase I need to reattach in a pinch, under power.
(only needed it once when my chicken loop was not attached correctly)
I prefer waist harness, but this is like a waist with leg support when it's needed only.
No handle passes, but I don't have the shoulders for that anyway.
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