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WindSki
Since 14 Dec 2012
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Agree !!
UNCOVERED COAL TRAINS THRU THE GORGE SUCK ASSS!!!!!!! |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Wed May 15, 13 3:13 pm |
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Whenever I have had an uncovered load of topsoil or similar, any unsettled dirt/dust in my truck that blows out usually does so in the first few miles of driving. By the time these trains get to the Gorge I bet most of what is going to blow out of the train is already gone at the beginning of the trip. If the complaint is regarding coal dust at unhealthy levels in the Gorge, let’s see the real science. So far I hear “the sky is falling…”, but no supporting facts. Al Gore “science” where statements start with “could go up to…”, :could be as much as…” do not count. What study shows how much dust leaves a coal car in the first mile vs the 500th mile? Act on the facts and not the fear.
I wonder how many pro-cable park kite boarders will try to dry hump the legs of the “Friends of The River” for help stopping the coal trains. The FOTR have demonstrated that they are incapable of being objective or consider any agenda other than their own. At least the FOTR are consistent in there lack of respect for others.
It is refreshing to see that many understand that kite boarding is not an environmentally friendly sport as practiced by most. Drive around burning fossil fuels looking for wind only limited by your wallet instead of limiting yourself by the environmentalist principles you may think you practice. Environmentalist are highly skilled at telling others how to live while being able to justify their own fossil fuel burning behavior.
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WINDUDE
Since 10 Jun 2010
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| Wed May 15, 13 3:41 pm |
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I'm buyin some real estate along the rail system
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Procktor
Since 11 Apr 2013
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| Wed May 15, 13 4:50 pm Re: Nobody gives a shit |
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| Dan k wrote: | | As long as they can keep stuffing their faces with mcdonalds and driving those SUV's the sheeple are happy. |
I agree. There is already nuclear waste leaking into the water, some coal pollution will be good. Then when the environment is ruined, why not go ahead and just put a big cable park everywhere, the wind won't be blowing any more with the climate change.
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Procktor
Since 11 Apr 2013
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| Wed May 15, 13 4:54 pm |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: | Whenever I have had an uncovered load of topsoil or similar, any unsettled dirt/dust in my truck that blows out usually does so in the first few miles of driving. By the time these trains get to the Gorge I bet most of what is going to blow out of the train is already gone at the beginning of the trip. If the complaint is regarding coal dust at unhealthy levels in the Gorge, let’s see the real science. So far I hear “the sky is falling…”, but no supporting facts. Al Gore “science” where statements start with “could go up to…”, :could be as much as…” do not count. What study shows how much dust leaves a coal car in the first mile vs the 500th mile? Act on the facts and not the fear.
I wonder how many pro-cable park kite boarders will try to dry hump the legs of the “Friends of The River” for help stopping the coal trains. The FOTR have demonstrated that they are incapable of being objective or consider any agenda other than their own. At least the FOTR are consistent in there lack of respect for others.
It is refreshing to see that many understand that kite boarding is not an environmentally friendly sport as practiced by most. Drive around burning fossil fuels looking for wind only limited by your wallet instead of limiting yourself by the environmentalist principles you may think you practice. Environmentalist are highly skilled at telling others how to live while being able to justify their own fossil fuel burning behavior. |
You shouldn't be driving around in your truck with uncovered loads of soil. I wonder if you lived next to the tracks and had coal pollution ruining your way of life would you change your attitude?
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Jonpnw
Since 22 Jul 2010
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| Wed May 15, 13 5:53 pm Awesome |
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He said "dry hump" 
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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| Wed May 15, 13 5:57 pm |
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you hippies want the coal to make your weed machines stop stinking up the neighborhood 
china needs it to have cheap power to build kites. the oil for material comes from saudi otherwise we would bundle that shit and send it to .... stop investing in Wall street if want it to stop ...... thats the real bank ....via the dangler and other tax payers ...
it can be cow shit , corn or subarus on that train they all are killing the planet ...
enjoy the use of energy the world may only be like this once ...... it has never remained the same for too long.
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:13 pm |
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| Procktor wrote: | | You shouldn't be driving around in your truck with uncovered loads of soil. I wonder if you lived next to the tracks and had coal pollution ruining your way of life would you change your attitude? |
You completely missed the point and knee jerked into a chicken little response. I used the truck example to illustrate a point. Maybe once a year I haul a yard of dirt to my house. BFD
Please show me one objective study that proves that there is "coal pollution" ruining or will ruin someones way of life in the Gorge. How much dust will come off the train as it travel through the Gorge?
The Columbia is a major corridor for the transportation of commercial products by water, road and rail. Is there anyone that has moved to HR that was not aware the tracks were there already and what they are for?. The world population is expanding, our economy is expanding. Why would anyone assume that the rail traffic should or would remain static?
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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:14 pm |
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| But just think if those train were carrying freshly harvested hemp uncovered. The man would put a stop to that real quick. |
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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:21 pm |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: | | Procktor wrote: | | You shouldn't be driving around in your truck with uncovered loads of soil. I wonder if you lived next to the tracks and had coal pollution ruining your way of life would you change your attitude? |
You completely missed the point and knee jerked into a chicken little response. I used the truck example to illustrate a point. Maybe once a year I haul a yard of dirt to my house. BFD
Please show me one objective study that proves that there is "coal pollution" ruining or will ruin someones way of life in the Gorge. How much dust will come off the train as it travel through the Gorge?
The Columbia is a major corridor for the transportation of commercial products by water, road and rail. Is there anyone that has moved to HR that was not aware the tracks were there already and what they are for?. The world population is expanding, our economy is expanding. Why would anyone assume that the rail traffic should or would remain static. |
Still shouldn't be hauling uncovered dirt around. Doesn't matter if its once a year or not. Cover your load.
This isn't just about the people who moved to HR, its about everyone in the world who might visit and the future generations. The Colombia is a natural resource to be preserved. The trains need to go somewhere else if they can't coexist with the environment. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:28 pm |
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china needs it to have cheap power to build kites. |
No, no it doesn't. China needs cheap energy to fund a dictator who threatens destruction of the Gorge with Nuclear weapons. Along with other American cities as well. Anyone who doesn't realize that North Korea is funded and supported by China, and that N. Korea's threats of Nuclear strikes against the USA serves China's foriegn policy is living with their head in the sand. China needs cheap energy to fund Chinese Military cyber attacks against our economy and infrastructure. Has everyone already forgotten these continuing attacks???? China needs cheap energy to make good on their stated goal of pre-emptively sinking a US Carrier Task Force so that they can reclaim Taiwan. China uses coal to drive an economy that will drive their military to directly threaten us.
China's use of coal is completely devoid of any environmental protection. Anyone that believes China's official reports of CO2 and pollution production is living La-La land. I've flown over China numerous times and seen the clouds of thick air pollution that are larger than the state of California. Pollution that makes the worst day anywhere in the rest of the world look like a breath of fresh air. I've been there, I've seen it. That pollution does not stay in China. We all eventually pay for it. Our industry is forced to spend ever more on pollution control while atmospheric pollution levels continue to rise due to China's trashing of the environment. We give China cheap energy so that they can unfairly compete with our own industry which must obey clean air laws.
I am in complete favor of trade with China. It is our one hope of transforming China into a country which need not be our mortal enemy. But selling cheap energy to China is stupid beyond belief, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. We are endangering OUR environment to help China compete unfairly and damage our economy. We are endangering our environment and our economy to help China fund grave security threats to our country and our allies, hell, the world.
Other than a very few people getting richer, there is absolutely no reason to sell cheap energy to China, and every reason not too. Be it our environment, our economy or our security, there are a multitude of reasons to stop these shipments. Be you a liberal environmentalist, a conservative economic thinker, or just an American concerned about our security, you have every reason to oppose these shipments. What possible reason is there to support these shipments? None. Every argument presented here and elsewhere completely ignores the reality of what China does now, and what their goals are. |
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WindLogik
Since 09 Feb 2009
95 Posts
Hood River
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:33 pm |
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Globalization... Ain't it a b*tch.
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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| Wed May 15, 13 6:42 pm |
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it must be a bitch having to fly the world spewing carbon and bitching about the pollution you see from the society you are directly serving in that act........ I am a devils advocate for fun here sharing how I really feel about this bs changes like the wind blowing with the facts rather than emotion.... spewing real thoughts here may bite me in the ass someday .... funning with devils advocate is a boredom killer for me try not to take offense to my dumbass........ I wear kitepants for gods sake.
this is fun right .......... thinking..........talking............ communicating |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Wed May 15, 13 7:09 pm |
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| registered wrote: | | it must be a bitch having to fly the world spewing carbon and bitching about the pollution you see from the society you are directly serving in that act........ |
Not at all. I believe in trade; I believe it promotes positive change and peace. I have no problem buying kites, or anything else, made in China. It is, however, the utmost folly to endanger our environment and our security to help damage our economy. Trade must be tempered with intelligence. When trade harms us, we should not partake without a compelling reason. Make no mistake, these shipments endanger our environment, (Even though what actual harm will occur can be debated...) they endanger our security without any doubt, and they damage our economy.
We are selling China cheap energy so they can fund North Korea's threat of destroying everything from Jones beach to Rufus. Then we get to spend Billions to respond to the threat. And yes, Portland would be one of North Korea's prime targets. Why? Because it's what they could hit. I spent years involved in this crap. I don't think, "Wow, nuclear weapons are bad". I KNOW PRECISELY how bad they are. I know blast radius and fallout patterns. I know Nuclear weapons are far, far worse than anyone here realizes. As bad as you think they are, believe me when I say they are a lot worse. Remember Hiroshima? Folks, that was an ATOMIC weapon, merely the trigger for a nuclear weapon. We've got an absolute nutcase with his finger on the trigger making threats to start a nuclear attack, and China is funding and supporting that same nutcase. And ANYONE in their right mind can defend sending China Cheap energy?????? Energy ain't kites, energy ain't cars, energy ain't wheat. Energy is a strategic asset. Energy is a war-making asset.
There is NO reason for these shipments to continue. None. |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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Still a gojo pimp!
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| Wed May 15, 13 7:16 pm |
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| Nak wrote: | | [ Remember Hiroshima? Folks, that was an ATOMIC weapon. merely the trigger for a nuclear weapon. |
Just a small bit of background to expand on Nak's comment. Hiroshima was a Fission bomb. An atom was split.
Today's nuclear weapons are now Fusion bombs. They take two atoms and fuse them into one. Significantly more powerful. The power it takes to fuse two atoms comes from a fission bomb (the trigger).
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Windian
Since 28 Apr 2008
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Newport, OR
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| Wed May 15, 13 7:16 pm |
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| registered wrote: | | I wear kitepants for gods sake. |
This forum is so entertaining for cheap laughs
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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| Wed May 15, 13 7:33 pm |
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opps
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