|
previous topic :: next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
1794 Posts
Doin' The Dalles
FLY'IN HIGH PIE GUY
|
 Thu Sep 13, 12 12:02 pm |
 |
|
| chrissmack wrote: | | genek wrote: | | Instead of bickering on the forum about Ian's opinion and each other's feelings why not channel that energy into making this cable park happen. |
interesting take on things. ian spouts off on internet, people respond negatively. and you tell people not to respond.  |
No....Genek is trying to keep everyone on subject. One opinion that spins the topic detracts from the bigger picture at hand. |
|
|
Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
1417 Posts
Hood River
XTreme Poster
|
| Thu Sep 13, 12 12:47 pm |
|
|
Sorry if my post threw everyone off topic. I was just stating my displeasure with big winds at taking the stance that they have on this issue. That is all. I dont know where all of you get off acting like it is something more than that. If you want to continue to support big winds that is fine. Just dont expect to hear me tell anyone to go shopping there. Didnt we all have this same argument about the kayak shed not that long ago? Please stop blowing my comments out of proportion, thank you.
_________________
I heart dangling |
|
|
DROCK999
Since 31 May 2007
852 Posts
Left Coast
Opinionated
|
| Thu Sep 13, 12 9:27 pm |
|
|
| chrissmack wrote: | | genek wrote: | | Instead of bickering on the forum about Ian's opinion and each other's feelings why not channel that energy into making this cable park happen. |
interesting take on things. ian spouts off on internet, people respond negatively. and you tell people not to respond. |
clearly this is you're new to nwkite, Ian expresses his opinion on here like political analysts on cable news networks, and this is not the first topic that he's done this.
Back to the subject, I think the meeting was good, but not great. I felt that there were better points made for the cable park, Joby did an excellent job. Bart in his charismatic self made probably the best speech in opposition of the park. I left early mostly because I got tired of hearing the same speech from different people opposed to the park.
I still think that there's room for everyone to play in the boat basin, especially since the fact still remains that the boat basin is underused.
Does anyone know when the port is supposed to release their decision?
_________________
BIP- "YOUR GIRLFRIENDS FAVORITE" |
|
|
forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
CGKA Member
|
| Thu Sep 13, 12 9:50 pm |
|
|
No decision making is going to be based on what happens on an Internet forum. So at the end of the day, anyone debating this cable park with mud slinging on NWKite is just as retarded as the person you're blaming.
What should set the tone here (instead of the opposition's branding setting the tone) is, there is very little use of this water. We want to use it for cable wakeboarding. You can take a SUP/Kayak anywhere, we can not take a cable park anywhere. Lets discuss how we can make it work for everyone, everyone wins if we think solutions. |
|
|
Slaker
Since 29 Jul 2008
41 Posts
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 8:22 am |
|
|
| Eric wrote: |
Steve Gates has contributed more to the wind interested youth of Hood River than anyone else in the community--by far. Since 1994 Steve has DONATED the use of rental gear for the entire 8th grade class at WyEast over a two day period. He has also DONATED instructors for the kids. Steve pays the instructors, eats the loss of the rentals, and gets over 150 kids out on the water each year.
At Hood River Middle School, Steve has donated all windsurfingl gear, instructors, wetsuits, pfd's helmets, booties etc since 2000. Recently, he added the use of SUP's. Again, Steve PAYS for all of this. Cost to schools and kids? ZERO! As a conservative estimate, I think Steve has paid for over $15,000 of services.
Steve cares VERY MUCH about Hood River youth. Moreover, he doesn't just talk about caring, he pays for it out of his own pocket.
I have a great deal of respect for Steve, and am so greatful for his commitment and generosity to the kids of Hood River County.
|
I would really like to know what Steve's reasons for not wanting the cable are? Seems like if he really cares about the youth he should be all for the cable.
It is very generous that he donates his gear and money to let Hood River youth try out windsurfing, but do you really think he does it just to help out youth in the area? Isn't he just trying to increase the potential number of customers for HIS shop. And $15,000??? all he has to pay for is the instructor which is like $100 a day, depending on if they aren't donating their time as well. You say 150 kids on the water a year... where are they now? It's just for two days, then none of them can afford to buy gear and transport themselves to the beach so they just go back to the skate park. So how does that help the youth? If he really cared about the youth he would approve of the cable since it would be the cheapest, most accessible water sport available to kids in the area.
As far as boycotting his shop, if he has valid reasons for not wanting the cable then I won't hold it against him. But, if he is against it because he doesn't sell wakeboarding gear, then I would think he is a dick, and I don't support dicks. |
|
|
Jonpnw
Since 22 Jul 2010
1327 Posts
Pacific Northwest
XTreme Poster
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 8:46 am |
|
|
| Forrest wrote: | | No decision making is going to be based on what happens on an Internet forum. |
Obviously Steve is making a business decision and we can't hold that against him. He makes good money off of selling and renting SUP's.
Like Forrest said lets try to see what can be worked out for both sides.
_________________
Slingshot | Ride Engine |Try before you buy | PM me
Join the Columbia Gorge Water Sports Association. http://gorgewindsurfing.org/ |
|
|
D-Krep It Kiter
Since 18 Jul 2011
417 Posts
Obsessed
|
|
|
Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
1417 Posts
Hood River
XTreme Poster
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 9:51 am |
|
|
Another great point raised after the meeting the other night, is Mt Hood Meadows not technically public land leased by meadows?? How many of you people against the cable park utilize mt hood meadows?? That is exclusive use of public land, with much more obtrusive structures than cable towers, and complete leveling of protected forest. But wait Im sure they all ski or snowboard so they have no problem with meadows....
_________________
I heart dangling |
|
|
Trent
Since 10 May 2012
76 Posts
Hood River
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 10:32 am |
|
|
Actually, The Mt. Hood Meadows scenario is not exclusive use of public land. Meadows does not lease the land. They are only allowed to "Operate" on it via special use permits issued by the Forest Service. The land is still very much public and can (and is) used by the public without paying to. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing all kinds of activities on that land for free. Heck, you can even ski/board in-bounds along with everyone else if you want to hike up. People do it every day, actually.
And what exactly is a "Protected forest?" |
|
|
JonMalmberg
Since 15 Aug 2011
340 Posts
Obsessed
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 10:36 am |
|
|
Trent...
Bullcrap... No up hill traffic allowed at all during operating hours, and can't speed fly at all.
Meadows absolutely controls the area during their operational period and lays down their law. Personally I am very limited on the things I would like to be doing there.
Jon Malmberg |
|
|
Trent
Since 10 May 2012
76 Posts
Hood River
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 10:45 am |
|
|
Hey Bam,
Yes, meadows asks that people do not travel up hill within the resort boundaries and will kindly direct them to the climbing routes just outside the ropeline boundaries but it is not against the law for people to actually do it. Meadows can't really enforce it if someone decides to say "F" off, I'm gonna hike up right here. I know this because people say it to me all the time. |
|
|
JonMalmberg
Since 15 Aug 2011
340 Posts
Obsessed
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 11:14 am |
|
|
Your missing the point of Forrest's comment. Meadows does indeed lease that specific chunk of "public land", and does in fact enforce it's policies, which do discriminate against usage rights of the "public" within the boundaries of Meadows... ie... the leased land...
I have friends who are completely banned from the boundaries of Meadow's because they were speed flying in bounds. You are ski patrol... right? Pretty sure that if you chose you could enforce Meadows policy and have those uphill hikers removed well within Meadow's rights. Pretty sure if I hiked up and was caught inbounds speed flying that "screw off red jacket person, I am going to do it anyways" would not hold water. |
|
|
Trent
Since 10 May 2012
76 Posts
Hood River
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 11:41 am |
|
|
Just don't get caught, BamBam 
I never said you could do anything you wanted to on the public land that Meadows operates on. I said you could do all kinds of things there. Yes, speedflying might indeed raise some eyebrows from a safety perspective. The point I was trying to make was that a cable park operating on a public WATERWAY and a ski resort operating on public LANDS are NOT the same thing. Meadows does not restrict public use the way the cable park would. |
|
|
chrissmack
Since 08 Jun 2005
526 Posts
portland
Addicted
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 1:35 pm |
|
|
| Trent wrote: | | The point I was trying to make was that a cable park operating on a public WATERWAY and a ski resort operating on public LANDS are NOT the same thing. |
not the same, but the comparison is a good one.
you talk only about the ski runs. what about the huge parking lots up on the mountain, that can't be used for anything but to park a car? public land being used for a PARKING LOT for a private enterprise.
pretty easy to imagine some guy, a long time ago, saying his favorite back-country ski run was through that area, and they should not be allowed to build a parking lot. but it was decided that more people would enjoy the mountain if a ski resort went up. and the people who love back country skiing adapted and found new runs somewhere else. |
|
|
DROCK999
Since 31 May 2007
852 Posts
Left Coast
Opinionated
|
| Fri Sep 14, 12 5:04 pm |
|
|
| Trent wrote: | Hey Bam,
Yes, meadows asks that people do not travel up hill within the resort boundaries and will kindly direct them to the climbing routes just outside the ropeline boundaries but it is not against the law for people to actually do it. Meadows can't really enforce it if someone decides to say "F" off, I'm gonna hike up right here. I know this because people say it to me all the time. |
yes, but they're still excluding a user group from doing an activity inside their operational boundaries
_________________
BIP- "YOUR GIRLFRIENDS FAVORITE" |
|
|
ldhr
Since 21 Jul 2009
1490 Posts
Hood River
XTreme Poster
|
| Sat Sep 15, 12 6:00 pm |
|
|
[quote="chrissmack"] | Trent wrote: | what about the huge parking lots up on the mountain, that can't be used for anything but to park a car? public land being used for a PARKING LOT for a private enterprise.
pretty easy to imagine some guy, a long time ago, saying his favorite back-country ski run was through that area, and they should not be allowed to build a parking lot. but it was decided that more people would enjoy the mountain if a ski resort went up. and the people who love back country skiing adapted and found new runs somewhere else. |
Uh - every day people park in the Meadows lot (plowed for the public), hike up Heather runout (groomed by Meadows) to access the backcountry in Newton Canyon.
Ocassionally, if the patrol is doing avalanche control, people are prevented from using the trail for obvious safety reasons. Also - they're prevented from hiking up the upper reaches of Heather for various reasons, but I'm interested to know what the patrol would do if I chose to ignore their rules and hike all the way up Heather and ski Accordion when it was closed? Woops - this is NWKITE, not NWSKI, |
|
|
hilton
Since 15 Aug 2008
803 Posts
Opinionated
|
| Sat Sep 15, 12 8:22 pm |
|
|
| chrissmack wrote: | | Trent wrote: | | The point I was trying to make was that a cable park operating on a public WATERWAY and a ski resort operating on public LANDS are NOT the same thing. |
not the same, but the comparison is a good one.
|
The comparison of the cable park to a ski resort makes a lot more sense than comparing the cable park to an amusement park. |
|
|
|
