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skent

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PostSun May 20, 12 9:28 pm    Upwind? Reply with quote

Which carves/points up wind better a twin tip or surfboard?
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wylieflyote

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PostMon May 21, 12 6:36 am     Reply with quote

My quad fin surfboard charges upwind better than any TT I've tried. But a purist will tell you that 4 fins on a surfboard is lame lame lame. I like it. Ready for 6.5 hours of KB4C!!
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PostMon May 21, 12 8:17 am     Reply with quote

If youre a beginner I think you'll have more success going upwind on a twintip. On a surfboard you either have to jibe it when you change directions or go toeside - both of which require more skill than a simple transition on a twin.

Someone who's already a jedi master like flyote can get on his surfboard and go event site to white salmon bridge in one tack.

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PostMon May 21, 12 8:53 am    Re: Upwind? Reply with quote

skent wrote:
Which carves/points up wind better a twin tip or surfboard?


Hands down, a surf board. You can put long fins on a TT. . .

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PostMon May 21, 12 9:37 am     Reply with quote

I am guessing that this is a new guy question. So, ya, surfboard is pretty efficient at going upwind, quad fin even better than a tri. If you are considering which to get first, I'd get a twin for starters. WIth that said, its good to point out that there are better twin tips for learning/going upwind than others. The light wind boards like the glide are good for this. Id really recommend something like a cabrinha prodigy 140 to 148. Fun board, easy upwind, you'll have a use for it beyond just learning too
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skent

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PostMon May 21, 12 10:51 am     Reply with quote

OG wrote:
I am guessing that this is a new guy question. So, ya, surfboard is pretty efficient at going upwind, quad fin even better that a tri. If you are considering which to get first, I'd get a twin for starters. WIth that said, its good to point out that there are better twin tips for learning/going upwind than others. The light wind boards like the glide are good for this. Id really recommend something like a cabrinha prodigy 140 to 148. Fun board, easy upwind, you'll have a use for it beyond just learning too


Yes, I am definitely a newbie. I have been kiting just one season on the Cabrinha Rival 135. I can actually point upwind okay on my TT but have been interested in trying a surfboard and wanted to know if it would be easier or harder than my TT.

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PostMon May 21, 12 12:14 pm     Reply with quote

Surfboard if you are strong at toe side or jibing. If not, a tt with less rocker will be best. Of course, being powered up always helps too.

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tstansbury

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PostMon May 21, 12 1:32 pm     Reply with quote

So what points better - kiteboard or windsurfer?

Assume basic Gorge setup, no special features for pointing/racing (especially for the windsurfer - just your recreational Gorge board and fin). For the kite, either TT or surfboard.

Anyone?

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Gman

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PostMon May 21, 12 2:07 pm     Reply with quote

wrong question

what goes downwind better = surfboard (takes some practice but fun)

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PostMon May 21, 12 2:32 pm     Reply with quote

Gman wrote:
wrong question

what goes downwind better = surfboard (takes some practice but fun)


HAH! After what felt like 60 faceplants on an overy-long CGKA Blowout... I think I got the part about TT sucks.

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PostMon May 21, 12 9:46 pm     Reply with quote

Whichever board has a straighter and flatter rocker, combined with the hardness (or sharpness) of the rail, and add in some fins for helping you to keep the board tracking or giving you leverage against the kite in the gusts.

A surfboard with a wider tail and flatt-ish rocker (like fish or quad kitesurf boards) will tend to rally upwind quite effectively, especially if it is closer to the 5'10-6' length and has a squared or bat-tailed tail section to it.

A twin fin should not be overestimated though, especially if it is longer and flatter, but once you get upwind, it can become quite a handful for going back downwind.

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lloyd

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PostTue May 22, 12 6:49 am     Reply with quote

Also, don't forget that the Gorge is unique in that the wind blows in the opposite direction as the current. Sometimes to get upwind all you have to do is float in the water. If you're talking a Gorge only board you can sacrifice some upwind characteristics, i.e. boxy rails, flatter rocker, and gain some maneuverability and chop control in your board by having a little more rocker and bottom shape.

Boards are complex. There is no answer as to "which is the best?". It depends on where you kite and what you want to do and where you want to go. All of the shops in the Gorge carry top quality brands and have top quality staff who would be willing to go through the design characteristics. Not to pick favorites, but Pepi at 2nd Wind is one of the best at finding the right product for you. TJ at Bigwinds is also very knowledgeable and helpful. Dave at Windance is also top notch. I believe all of these shops have some sort of demo program where you can try out different boards and have the demo charge count as a credit towards a purchase. Essentially costing you nothing to try out a couple different boards.

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KOF

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PostTue May 22, 12 3:17 pm     Reply with quote

Try an Alaia, it rips upwind better than any surfboard or TT and rides swell like fat girls ride mopeds. No fins means you'll ride like the pros! And just think you could also hit sliders on it.

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PostTue May 22, 12 3:42 pm     Reply with quote

KOF wrote:
rides swell like fat girls ride mopeds.


That sounds kinda squishy and slow. Shocked

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PostTue May 22, 12 4:06 pm     Reply with quote

tstansbury wrote:
skimboard

Ha , yup !
I use my home built ply skim and it rips upwind . Pretty loose when off the rail though Very Happy , tons of fun.
I also have a 159 "door " ( Spleene ) It's so easy to ride upwind with this board . Beginners love it too as it's so easy to get up and ride with .
Surfboard ...... it should be strapless too ! Cool
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KOF

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PostWed May 23, 12 1:52 pm     Reply with quote

Yup the Alaia is mellow and slippery on the turns, got to ride way back when charging down big swell. Fun to surface pass, ride backwards, blind, do shuv its and general kooky tricks. Highly recommended, no precise slashing just good ol slappin the thigh and riding the wave in Smile

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