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Youkai

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 4:53 pm    It's Kitemare O'clock Reply with quote

Well I had an adventurous day at the Marina today. I was trying out a LF Session 9m that my GF picked up off craigslist for the first time. Lost my board and couldn't see it in the swell so I body dragged around for a few minutes before deciding to just head in.

About that time someone brought me a board (that wasn't mine) and the straps were too small to get my feet into. When I tried to get up I dropped my kite. All the body dragging and whatnot put me near the mouth of the river and I got to experience my kite floating upwind of me. That was interesting. I decided it was self rescue time at that point and started winding the line. Somehow while that was happening the kite circled me a couple times and must have ate the slack that I took on one of the lead lines because the kite got powered up and the lines were in such a mess from the river spinning the kite all around that it just stayed powered up.

So I fought the kite for a while to wind it up while it was somewhat powered. I would have loved to have just cut the line that was keeping me powered but when I was at the kite store last weekend they had the less than optimal kite knife so I decided to pass for now. I finally got it reeled in and managed to not lose the loaner board in the process. By the time I got to my kite I was about 100 meters from the buoy between the Marina and Event site.

Even with the kite I couldn't get it to push me in towards the land past the current. Fortunately I was slowly drifting downriver so I figured even though I launched at the marina I could get in at the event site once I got past the worst of the current. About that time a manly kiter dude came by and offered to drag me in which I was grateful for. Then shortly after that a yellow wave runner showed up and took me to the Marina. Whoever owns the runner has my gratitude.

Take aways from this experience:
    1) As was noted by a previous post the current at the mouth of the river is no joke; and if your kite goes down there you are pretty f'ed. I'm staying downwind of the mouth of the river from now on.
    2) A bad kite knife is better than no kite knife
    3) I'm very glad I was wearing a 5mil suit. I was in the water for probably at least 30 minutes.
    4) Practice riding a board with your feet out of the straps. Always seemed like an advanced skill to me but if I practiced that I could have gotten to the shore without dropping the kite.


Stay safe out there people!

Also the bars for the sessions suck. The donkey dick came off twice in the 5 minutes I was boarding before I lost my board.

Finally, The board that was brought to me was also a lost board apparently so if you lost a blue twin tip at the marina today and can describe the various emblems on it PM me and we will get it back to you.

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Blazeheliski

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 5:27 pm     Reply with quote

I thought I saw you kiting with a board leash on Friday at Jones? You decided not to use it today at HR? Sorry to hear about your kitemare........that really sucks Sad

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Youkai

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 5:32 pm     Reply with quote

Leash broke free. The mesh webbing attached to the screw ripped out. I think part of the problem was that I had it attached at the one of the foot strap screws so it would drag badly in the right conditinos. I got some washers so I'm going to attach it to a fin mounting hole since I'm not using the fins anymore. Hopefully having it attached at the end of the board instead of more or less in the middle will solve the issue.
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Blazeheliski

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 7:28 pm     Reply with quote

Ahhh - I see. There are some good tips on diffferent ways to attach the leash on various threads. Check out Kitezilla's post on this thread here...............

http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2363763&start=30

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 7:35 pm     Reply with quote

Don't use a board leash!!!!

If you choose to use a leash then only attach it to the end of the board using a fin screw.

Attaching a leash to a foot-strap screw or handle can create a situation that causes the board to dive which will pull you down. Not good!!!

Learn to ride without a board leash!!

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Youkai

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 7:42 pm     Reply with quote

BBQ Jim wrote:
If you choose to use a leash then only attach it to the end of the board using a fin screw.

Attaching a leash to a foot-strap screw or handle can create a situation that causes the board to dive which will pull you down. Not good!!!


You are correct sir. That is what caused the tear out. Thanks for the advice. I have adjusted my anchor point so this will resolve the issue.

As for not using a leash. I can body drag back to my board just fine, exceptionally well actually; I got too much practice last year. I don't use my leash so I can just abandon my board at a moments notice and have it come flying back at me. I do everything I can to keep my board but with the tricks I'm trying I frequently hit the water and lose my board. The leash saves me at least half my session time. Also with the current like it is it saves me from losing it all together. Fear not, I take my safety seriously. I know that leashes are not the safest things in the world and I am cautious when using them. Thanks for your concern.

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 8:33 pm     Reply with quote

Ditto on ditching the leash. You can't out think this one. It'll give you another kitemare another day. Its like russian rulette. Doesn't matter how safe your practices are. Its coming for you some day...

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 8:43 pm     Reply with quote

When self rescuing, I believe you are supposed to take a couple wraps with just the leading edge lines first, then keep winding with all lines, so that the kite won't relaunch accidentally. I'm sure someone will chime in if that's wrong.
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Youkai

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 8:45 pm     Reply with quote

For sure Dunes, I did that even. Unfortunately the current was busy mangling my lines and undid that work which is why it ended up filling with air when it shouldn't have. If the self rescue had gone according to plan it probably wouldn't have been a Kitemare Smile
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C Johnson

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 10:09 pm     Reply with quote

if you are already practicing tricks lose the leash!

unless you want a board shaped hole in your face.

it will launch back at you sooner or later and helmets do not protect your face, neck shoulders. A helmet is a must but its still no excuse for a leash to be okay. If you get knocked out by your board you'll have much bigger problems then doing some body dragging.

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C Johnson

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 10:17 pm     Reply with quote

a good alternative to a board leash is heel straps. still dangerous in the sense that you can't kick your board off as easily on a botched landing but at least you don't have to worry about your board coming off as easily.

I threw a set of dakine heel straps on my board last weekend for my trip down to the gorge. only had 1 foot come out once in 2 days of riding. I was doing a lot of crashing too since I've been practicing S-bends and surface handle passes.

I know 2nd wind carries the dakine heel straps. IMHO they hold up better then the liquid force ones. If you're too cheap to buy some you can cut pieces of bicycle innertube and use that too.

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hoarhey

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 6:34 am     Reply with quote

You can get free heel straps at any bike shop. Inner tubes are cheep and when they break you won't complain about how much you spent on them. I've ridden with them since I ditched the least 6 years ago. How tight should they be? The tighter the better. They WILL come off when you need them to (ie skipping across the water during a kite loop). Don't buy all of those horror stories about leashes. They're just propoganda, but seriously ditch it while riding if you are doing tricks. The leash is serious kook alert.
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Youkai

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 6:44 am     Reply with quote

Thanks for the alternatives Johnson and hoarhey. I'll look into it.

Now can we get the thread back to its original intent. A reminder that the currents are dangerous right now and that you should be extra cautious around the mouth of the river.

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Sauve

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 8:31 am     Reply with quote

hoarhey wrote:
You can get free heel straps at any bike shop. Inner tubes are cheep and when they break you won't complain about how much you spent on them. .... Don't buy all of those horror stories about leashes. They're just propoganda, but seriously ditch it while riding if you are doing tricks. The leash is serious kook alert.


i've tried both the dakine and the liquid force heelies, i found the dakine not ideal, and the liquid force break.

bike inner tubes make a great heel strap. they can be tight and really stretchy. on their own they will break pretty easily. BUT a 13 inch pieces of tube with TWO one inch wraps of duct tape on the inside AND outside of both ends, drilled through for screw holes makes a cheap functional strap that will hardly ever break on you. if that doesn't make sense, PM me and i can show/make you a pair. i don't ride without em

as for leash "propaganda"... never needed one for myself but made the mistake of putting my leash on a board while trying to help a fellow kiter in the half moon bay harbor on a wicked, gusting to 49 knots day. it took an entire 5 seconds for the board to load up and fire back at me like it was launched out of a cannon (i guess thats why the leash says slingshot on it). i was lucky enough that instead of hitting me in the head and killing me instantly, it hit my chicken loop, released it, and with my leash on the board and not on the kite, i watched my beloved 7m disappear in the gale force wind only to get plastered on the nose of an anchored 50 ft fishing boat. the kite retrieval and the rest of the story are for another day. but when kiting you can learn from others mistakes, or find out for yourself the hard way (which is often injurious or fatal).

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 9:36 am     Reply with quote

my opinion, leashes are not a good solution to your problem.
I'd say you might be a good candidate for a gojoe.
take a trip over to windance and get you one of these son!
http://www.windance.com/ocean-rodeo-go-joe-c-1459-p-1-pr-2726.html
not sure what "tricks" you are working on but maybe save those for better conditions.
on sunday at the marina, I watched a gal go out with a reel leash and no helmet. not sure how to feel about that one. just kind of eats at your gut knowing what could happen to someone especially in those conditions once you start getting west of the marina.
best to just kite with your friends and have their backs and vice versa.

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 9:37 am     Reply with quote

Sauve wrote:
the kite retrieval and the rest of the story are for another day. but when kiting you can learn from others mistakes, or find out for yourself the hard way (which is often injurious or fatal).


Dude, lets hear the rest of the story!

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 9:40 am     Reply with quote

Keep using your leash, I'm sure you can rationalize it somehow even though you can body drag "exceptionally well".

The big reason you should keep using is so that when your board eventually hits you in the head puts a huge gash in your noggin we can all say "I told you so". I'm sure your flimsy water helmet will prevent any injury from a 7lb board traveling 30 mph.

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