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Will the H.R. Sandbar be back this Summer?
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Kitesmurf

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 12:36 pm    Will the H.R. Sandbar be back this Summer? Reply with quote

Is the water level falling enough that the sandbar will be exposed again this summer? Is the sandbar washed away?

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Nak

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 3:05 pm     Reply with quote

My guess is it'll peek out in time for KB4C.

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wylieflyote

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 3:09 pm     Reply with quote

Nak wrote:
My guess is it'll peek out in time for KB4C.


I wonder if we could ask them to adjust water levels at the 2 dams for us, for KB4C?

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Youkai

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PostSun Jun 19, 11 5:50 pm     Reply with quote

There was a similar post recently where someone posted a link to a debris flow study from 2006. I think the consensus was that the sandbar might erode a little bit but there was no mention of when it would appear in that thread. Here's the link if you want to check it out: http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-22228.html
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MarkWorth

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 7:11 am     Reply with quote

The current is easing off to normal spring current dropping from 500,000 to 450,000. The water level is falling and the sandbar will start to show this week. Only the highest spots will show until July 15 if the forecast is correct.

and yes it's still there

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 8:47 am     Reply with quote

I hope you're right Mark. I've not really closely followed the water level in HR before. If you look at the forecast CFS, it seems like we have a long time till the sand bar is back?

The sand bar disapeared around 330,000 cfs in May. Looking at the latest forecast, it won't get back down to that level until the third week of July. If the sand bar has built up at all, it'll peek out earlier. If it's eroded...

Of course CFS does not necessarily directly correlate to level. It also depends on the release rate at Bonneville. For a given flow rate at The Dalles, the river level at HR will go up as Bonneville releases less, and go down as Bonneville releases more. The week of July 4th, Bonneville almost always cuts back on the flow.

http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/stp/station/stpplot/stpplot.cgi?TDAO3


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taycar

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 9:35 am     Reply with quote

The sandbar is definitely there. I fell multiple times over the top of it this last weekend and was surprised at how often I could touch. My wife is looking forward to it showing up again as well. She was really nervous about using the Marina this last weekend.

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PostMon Jun 20, 11 11:52 am     Reply with quote

Also note that the water level is not neccessarily related to the flow. If they open up the Bonneville dam more than the Dalles dam then shouldn't the water level drop?
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PostMon Jun 20, 11 1:36 pm     Reply with quote

Windance Crew wrote:
Also note that the water level is not neccessarily related to the flow. If they open up the Bonneville dam more than the Dalles dam then shouldn't the water level drop?


At this moment, they have been running both dams at full tilt as much as they can without negatively effecting the fish habitats.

If California gets a heat wave and needs more power, then the Bonneville Power Administration will likely keep the flow open.

Will try to ask our contact at the Corp of Enginneers if he can give us an update on flow pattern expectations for the next month.

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hilton

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 6:16 am     Reply with quote

The river was a bit lower yesterday.
There was some exposed sand at the end of the spit, and the sandbar looked only knee deep in places.
It might not last, but it does give me some hope for the next few weeks.

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PDXF

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 7:14 am     Reply with quote

If the shadow in the HR sandbar cam is any indication the sandbar is still there AND it now extends well in front of of the event site... maybe I'm just seeing things

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 7:47 am     Reply with quote

PDXF wrote:
If the shadow in the HR sandbar cam is any indication the sandbar is still there AND it now extends well in front of of the event site... maybe I'm just seeing things


I was noticing this too.


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sirmichaelo

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 9:31 am     Reply with quote

It's kind of exciting waiting to see what kind of brand new sandbar we're getting.

It's like a thinly wrapped christmas present or a sexy girl at a bar...

You never know what you're gonna get until a few layers come off.

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luke

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 9:58 am    the spit! the spit! Reply with quote

last night the spit showed itself.

The water level dropped enough for a couple of spots to show up.

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Nak

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 10:11 am     Reply with quote

Interesting... The CFS is still up about 450,000, much higher than when the spit went under. Bonneville is cutting back on flow too, so I'm guessing the water level at HR is still pretty high. Anyone, what does the actual level look like? Kinda sounds like the spit picked up some altitude, at least in spots.

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 10:23 am     Reply with quote

I have 0 knowledge if stuff like this, just what I have seen from years of living here. My guess would be that the sandbar definitely got bigger from the high water, at least on the Hood. In years past, when the Hood has run high it has deposited a lot of shit at the sandbar, rocks logs etc, I think the sand grabs onto this stuff and makes the sandbar get bigger. It would make sense then, that the high points of the sandbar caught more debris, thus more sand causing them to grow.

Water is high now, haven't got a first hand look though.

How dope would three foot high sand berms be with butter water on the other side?

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PostTue Jun 21, 11 11:55 am     Reply with quote

Would be like a magical gift from Satan! Me loves me some butter water!

Inept_Fun wrote:
How dope would three foot high sand berms be with butter water on the other side?

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