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LVDWD

Since 04 May 2009
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PostSat May 07, 11 10:13 am    5th line Self Rescue Reply with quote

Reading about the guy who got tangled in his lines recently kiting out of the Event site got me to thinking about a problem that I have not satisfactorily resolved even after talking to various people. With a 5th line kite standard procedure for a self rescue after releasing the chicken loop is to reel in the fifth line so many feet until a stopper is reached. Problem is when doing this the fifth line can get tangled around ones legs with subsequent potential negative effects. Same procedure is sometimes followed if you are trying to rectify an inverted kite situation-the same result can occur.

So anyone have any good advice on managing the fifth line to prevent it wrapping around you legs as you pull it through to the stopper at which point you can wrap it around the bar and have the kite totally de-powered.

I did at one point think about having a small reel attached to my harness around which I could wrap the fifth line. Tried this on the beach but it did not seem practical.

Thanks

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Chooch

Since 18 Nov 2007
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PostSat May 07, 11 10:24 am     Reply with quote

Some simple steps to keep your legs free and clear.

1. Try to float on your chest with your legs behind you, easiest to do in smaller chop/flat water.

2. If you need to stay upright in the water to manage larger swell its a good idea to constantly move your feet up and down one at a time. As your push your foot down drag it against your other leg, this will help keep lines off your feet. Works well when you are wearing thick wetsuits and booties since you can't feel the lines on your skin.

3. Every few minutes back stoke away from your kite to avoid excess slack on your lines.

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flyin_dutchman

Since 12 Dec 2008
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PostSat May 07, 11 5:03 pm     Reply with quote

I agree with what Chooch said. I usually float on stomach and periodically side stroke upwind while feeding excess 5th line in downwind direction as best possible.

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MarkWorth

Since 02 May 2011
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PostSun May 08, 11 8:57 am     Reply with quote

Swim to one side!
Seriously, tread water to one side as you pull the line.

As long as I am treading water to keep my head above the waterline, I might as well tread water to one side.

Continue treading water to the side until you get to the kite.
All the slack lines will stay to the left, (on the surface of the water and away from your feet), if you tread water to the right as you move to the kite.

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eric

Since 13 Jan 2006
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PostSun May 08, 11 10:03 am     Reply with quote

I never wrap my lines in the Gorge. Rather, I secure the 5th--4th--line to my board after making sure it's about 30' shorter than the other lines. I then walk/float up the lines which are under tension to the kite and sail it in. The board dragging slows you down some, but wrapping lines often leads to a dangerous mess.

Eric

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PostSun May 08, 11 1:01 pm     Reply with quote

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I never wrap my lines in the Gorge...
I then walk/float up the lines which are under tension to the kite and sail it in.

Eric


I've never thought about that as an alternative - stupid me!!! I recently almost drowned, due to my strong conviction to NOT dump my kite, and it was all because 40+mph gusts won out in the strength department, not allowing me to continue wrapping my lines under tension! Embarassed

I'm gonna try that next time. Good grief, I can't even believe I admitted there will be a next time...Rolling Eyes

Chooch

Since 18 Nov 2007
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PostSun May 08, 11 1:34 pm     Reply with quote

IMHO not wrapping your lines should only be done if you are in a dire situation when you need to get in ASAP.

Not winding you lines if you have the time is lazy and dangerous to you and other kiters around you. If your lines are not wrapper and you need help from a fellow kiter it puts that kiter in a much more dangerous situation to get at you without getting tangled in your lines.

Also there are a ton of underwater/surface obstacles that can tangle your lines on the way in causing more headache and a possible lost or damaged kite if you can't get the lines free.

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daveS

Since 23 Jul 2007
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PostMon May 09, 11 8:59 am     Reply with quote

I think the safest way would probably be to get to your kite and then pull the lines in. Wrapping lines with the kite flailing about is risky..even when it is flagged the kite seems to want to launch occasionally with serious risk of finger impingement. I had to self-rescue yesterday for the first time in years and I left the lines behind me...I had to stear around a fishing buoy on the way in which freaked me out...and my kite knife had left me when my harness broke.

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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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PostTue May 10, 11 6:48 am     Reply with quote

daveS wrote:
I think the safest way would probably be to

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Here is a link to a very complete discussion of the merits of the "single line" versus the "wrap the lines" methods of self-rescue.

If only life were so simple, that one method is always "the safest" or "the best"!

To become a competent "self-rescuer", a kiter really needs to know both methods, since the situation may dictate the safest method to use.

http://forum.bestkiteboarding.com/viewtopic.php?t=6877

In some ways, the Columbia River is the ultimate testing gound of the 2 self-rescue techniques. Even the time of the year makes a difference, with changing water levels, and the devil of all the details...the growth of seaweed, as the water warms up. Not to mention the Indian fishing floats and nets, which can appear out of nowhere (what! there was nothing here yesterday, and now, it feels like my foot is caught in something underwater...). Not to mention, back eddys, cold water, weird currents, 'deadheads', line-snagging-rocks, swimming dogs-with-line-snagging-collar-license-hooks, underwater stumps, and did I mention seaweed? The list goes on...and where one self-rescue technique is a good idea, the other technique is not such a good idea.

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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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PostTue May 10, 11 7:16 am     Reply with quote

daveS wrote:


...and my kite knife had left me when my harness broke.


That would have been a good time to be wearing a helmet which contained a compartment for a hook knife.

It would be nice if someone made such a helmet, designed specifically for kiting...as it stands now, you gotta rig it up yourself. Here is a picture from 2005. This helmet has very thick foam in the back, allowing space for a cut-out pocket but still keeping enough padding for protection of the back of the head. A proper design would allow for keeping the full thickness of foam.


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