Rally inversions

1surfer · Sat Dec 25, 10 4:56 pm **Rally inversions**

Does anyone know if the rally inverts like the T2. I am heavy at 230 and tend to pull hard while powered up. The T2's hated that and I would turn them inside out. I want to get a Rally 14 but I am worried abut inversion. Can anyone help ?

DROCK999 · Since 31 May 2007 852 Posts Left Coast Opinionated

tonyb · Mon Dec 27, 10 6:55 am

Yep, pump it harder. Most common mistake I see on the beach is under inflation. Should be no wrinkles in the leading edge and should make a good high pitched sound when flicked with your finger.

Pressure gauges all have differences but somewhere between 8 and 11 psi is what you need (depending on kite brand and gauge reading). I've seen some gauges out there that have green/yellow/red ranges marked on them and the green stops at 5 psi! I think the yellow stopped at 8. If you follow those ranges you'll be way under what the kite needs for stability.

It's not just T2's that will invert when under inflated, most bow type kites act the same way. I had a Waroo with a slow leak one summer and I knew it was time to go in when the leading edge would depress during a gust.

Tony

1surfer · Mon Dec 27, 10 7:16 am **Pressure**

I used 4 different gauges to make sure that I was getting a good read. Pumped to what I believe was 10lbs every time. Pressure was the first thing that I checked. Always pump my kites to 8 or greater. Usually happened when I had my board on underwater and the kite launched itself pretty much down wind. I tried everything but could still pull them inside out. Very dangerous if you are off shore.

Positive its not a rigging or pressure problem. I am just heavy and strong enough to pull these kites inside out at will. I will note that I sail over powered a lot. Too lazy to downrig.

I do love the T2's but not the inversion and not the pully bar with tons of bar pressure. Great flying kites.

Point is not the T2's But has anyone inverted a Rally ? Will the rally invert like the T2's. I dont want to buy some new kites to find out I can pull them inside out.

I like the Rally and hope they will work for me. Used the 14 in lower wind but it seemed nice.

Bettyboarder · Mon Dec 27, 10 8:49 am

I haven't seen them invert yet or heard from anyone that they are having that problem. I haven't flow one myself yet but saw them alot this last summer they look like a sweet kite.

Pm Shymac or EY and they can give you the full scoop and set up a demo

mojo1time · Since 28 Jul 2005 186 Posts Stoked

Get an RPM, I thought the T2 was OK for some basic mellow cruising, but I had several inversions (bridal all f'ed up) with that kite more than any other kite I have used-could have been my progression at that time too.

For a big guy, an RPM will fly well under heavy loads, (kiteloops, hard downloops, and not have the taco/bend/pop/invert situation-ever)

Simpler bar setup, short bridal-works

mojo1time · Since 28 Jul 2005 186 Posts Stoked

Seems like a perfect wave kite, I want the 8M. This kite will not have the issues you have with the T2.

Thanks,
Lance

The minnow · Since 26 Jan 2009 395 Posts argentina Obsessed

I know nothing about rally, but being a unofficial test rider for sling shot, have rode a 10m RPM into 40knt gust solid, being 300lbs, my style is this, not that it is fun but nessary because its my small kite? I also rode a 11m into 60knt gusts if you believe me, at this point the kite colapse falls to water, opens and you blow away like two miles, lucky it was side off and a go joe saved the day,
......... being the secret agent, i say that most people dont pump to 8psi, because at this point the kite is so hard, you would not think it will hold, and yes, it does, but you better have a clean launch, and landing, and not crash it much, the other day the instucktor aleandro showed me what a Rpm at 8psi is and after all was truely amazed , a totaly rock hard struckture, which changed my pumping, to crazy hard, still if you do this it will pop seems, and effect the kite, lifes span?
,,,,,,,,, it will change the kite flight, too be more possitive and fly more under load without jellyfishing,
[[[[[[[[[[[[ about the problem of inversions, I bielive this to be a rigging problem, with underinflation involved, you are undersheeting,

The minnow · Since 26 Jan 2009 395 Posts argentina Obsessed

You better check your lines, since I only ride new gear this is not a problem. but the T2 had firewire, so rigging has got to figure in, and watch your knots ,normal people only rig one knot set up, and change kite size if overpowered,
also I have never been ably to taco a kite, or invert a kite at will, so thier is something you are doing wrong, and the only time i taco a kite, is if you rig full depower, and pull the depower all the way in, and fly like a stupid, but why would you rig like that???? you only rig slingshot the last knot on the leading edge, and the middle knot on the stering, and one or two inches of depower on the center rope. if this does not work, use a differant kite size. the secret agent, is watching you!!!