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lawnmower

Since 14 Dec 2007
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 8:27 am    Kiters elbow Reply with quote

Over did last Sunday. Any of you 50+ers have a remedy for kiters elbow. Not ready to trade up my T2s for less bar pressure.

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Mark

Since 20 Jun 2005
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 8:46 am     Reply with quote

Had that problem several years ago. Mine was from the way I was using my elbow while jumping. Doctor said I had Micro tears of the tendon. Wanted me to stay off water for 6 months..... ummm ok.

I moved on to my surfboard and rode with my other arm as much as possible. Got better and haven't had the problem since.

So advice is put as little pressure on it as possible. Less bar pressure will help. Work on riding toe side with one hand, ect. It needs time to heal.

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forrest

Since 21 Jun 2005
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 8:47 am     Reply with quote

I had this back in 2005 and changing kites helped alot. Also, just riding more powered so I didn't have to move the kite around as much helped.

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Chooch

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 8:59 am     Reply with quote

I know you really like the T2 but bar pressure is the largest contributor to your elbow pain. A lot of kites have adjustable bar pressure (you get more pressure when the front and back lines are closest), this way you can fly it with the heavy bar pressure when your elbow is feeling good and switch it up to light bar pressure when your elbow needs a break.

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tonyb

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 9:12 am     Reply with quote

I used to get pain in the elbows quite a bit my first two years of riding. But then it went away. Thought maybe I just built up muscles or something but thinking about it I did make a change of positioning my hands at the center of the bar rather than at the ends. Maybe that's the secret?

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lawnmower

Since 14 Dec 2007
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 9:37 am     Reply with quote

Toeside on a surfboard is the major culprit. Flying the kite with just the left arm and the thumb down (regular foot) puts a lot of stress on the forearm. Maybe I'll get stronger, or hit Chooch up for a Rabbit demo.

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pdxmonkeyboy

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 9:45 am     Reply with quote

I got that when riding my old crossbows allot. New kites, pain gone. T2's fly well but you can get the same performance with much less pressure
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Gman

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 9:49 am     Reply with quote

used to get this on my 19m fuel - go figure - haven't had it since - maybe work on tacks, jibes and just ride toe-side when going down the line (might be a cheaper solution)
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stringer

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 10:17 am     Reply with quote

I thought you already learned how to jibe old man!!
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Nak

Since 19 May 2005
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 11:00 am     Reply with quote

Try rigging a bar to use 1:1. You'll have to use a bigger bar for the same kite size, and set it up for longer de-power. A cult bar should work if you want to try it out before re-rigging. Even with a bigger bar it'll take more bar deflection to get the kite to turn. Will it be too slow? I don't know, haven't tried it. But it will have a lot less bar pressure! I've got a bar you can borrow if you want to try the setup. It's a 20 inch bar, I'd try it with a 9m or less.

This might be a good interim solution till you get new kites...

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bulae99

Since 12 Jul 2006
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PostWed Jun 16, 10 4:38 pm    warm it up and then ice it Reply with quote

I had the same issue with TD2 and loved the kites. I used the stopper ball more and tried to grip palm up and switch to palm down asuch as possible. Like tennis elbow its a don't do it of it don't hurt.situation. I also started taken glicosamene and using my other hand as it felt like someone else was doing it. LOL
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lawnmower

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 5:12 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for the offer NAK. Don't know if I want to give up the depower for 1:1. Sounds like Advil and moderation are in order.

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Moto

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 6:46 pm     Reply with quote

could u try wrapping it up before and after u ride?
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Nak

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PostWed Jun 16, 10 7:44 pm     Reply with quote

lawnmower wrote:
Don't know if I want to give up the depower for 1:1.


You really don't have to give up depower. You just have to have more bar travel to get the same depower. If you look at a Cult bar, it has a LOT more bar travel possible than a T2, like around 36". By using a stopper ball and trimming for current wind conditions, you'll minimize/eliminate loss of depower. If you don't use a stopper ball, letting go of the bar should have close to the same depower as stock. You'll have to grab the center rope and pull it in to reach the bar again after letting go; not really a big deal. Using a longer bar will help mitigate the loss of turning authority you have. Whether or not it's enough is something you'd have to try to find out. I'd think you'd need a 23" bar for an 11m...

If 1:1 ends up being an acceptable solution, you can very easily modify your current bars for a few bucks...

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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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PostSat Feb 11, 12 12:42 pm     Reply with quote

A 'tennis elbow' can last for many months to a year or more, and none of us want to give up the things that we do for fun...so we continue with our activities and suffer. Here is a link to a thread on KF, which presents an idea for a stopper ball invention, which would probably give relief to a lot of kiters, who either presently have a tennis elbow problem... or want to prevent a tennis elbow from occuring, due to an overuse syndrome brought on by kiting.

Basically, the stopper ball does not stay fixed in place, but travels 4 inches, when a force of 45 pounds is placed on it, and then, it automatically springs back into position, after the 'gust' ceases. The kiter can therefore, just lightly hold and guide the bar, without undue force being placed on his arms. In this thread, ideas are presented for both an above the bar and below the bar system to accomplish this type of shock absorption and recoil.

http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2374480&p=736653

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dangler

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PostSat Feb 11, 12 12:57 pm    ouch Reply with quote

looks like a finger popper to me

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kitezilla

Since 22 Jun 2006
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PostSat Feb 11, 12 1:43 pm     Reply with quote

Mark,

Good point...you would not want to use the stopper with your fingers split around the powerline... of course that would be the case with any stopper, right? Is there a stopper that does not pinch your fingers.

Probably a guy with a tennis elbow would be willing to make the adjustment, and use both hands on the bar.

Wait a minute! Wouldn't this type of stopper actually be less likely to trap the fingers, since the kiter would feel the stopper on his fingers, and still have some time to either pull back hard, or just slip the fingers out, since the lower ball half would still have to move 4 inches up, before trapping the hand, and this would give the kiter some time? The feedback from feeling the stopper would be gradual, as opposed to a traditional fixed stopper ball, which would trap the fingers, the instant that the kiter felt the ball...and got the message...which would be too late to slip out the fingers.

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