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barfly
Since 31 Mar 2005
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 Fri Jun 11, 10 9:00 am OT- I'm barfly and I leave a footprint |
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http://www.smenet.org/enews/files/0610_2010_Mii_Minerals_Baby.pdf
Given the travesty in the gulf, we could all be reminded to use less. This is produced the the Society of Mining and Metallurgy. I work in this industry among other related ones. Not feeling guilty, or tree-hugging. This is non-biased just a report.
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 9:33 am |
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now i'm feelin bad bout those back to back Manzo to Roosevelt sessions last week...
tho the 32,000 snickers and gatorades prob not so good either
- Johnny Carbon Footprint
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 10:07 am |
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The most interesting fact is right at the bottom.
The average person consumes 7,000 lbs of coal, and a 1/4 pound of uranium.
Coal generates twice the power of nukes, while requiring the mining and disposal of 14,000 times as much nasty stuff. That's the argument in favor of nuclear power in a nut shell.
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FlyDunes
Since 09 Oct 2007
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 10:33 am |
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Except that nuke is the gift that keeps on giving! Until somebody figures out out to dispose of the waste or how to lock it up till its cold, nuke seems like a really bad idea.
We can't seem to build anything that will last a couple of thousand years in good shape, much less 250,000 to 500,000 years....
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0207/feature1/index.html
Beware of happy nuke industry publications with glowing cartoon characters that spray "facts" about how coal is much more dangerous.
I don't have the answers, I'm just pretty sure that nuke isn't one of them.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 10:41 am |
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| Blast it into space on a rocket ship! Just make sure the flight path is over the Gulf!
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 11:21 am Re: OT- I'm barfly and I leave a footprint |
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| barfly wrote: | http://www.smenet.org/enews/files/0610_2010_Mii_Minerals_Baby.pdf
Given the travesty in the gulf, we could all be reminded to use less. This is produced the the Society of Mining and Metallurgy. I work in this industry among other related ones. Not feeling guilty, or tree-hugging. This is non-biased just a report. |
your 3 wheeler shouldn't leave too big a carbon footprint 
hard to imagine if there is that much oil below the ocean floor under such great pressure ,that something like this has not happened before ,
either natural or man caused (which is natural)right?
the world unfolding exactly as it should
stupid shit and all 
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Onad
Since 04 Mar 2005
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| Fri Jun 11, 10 12:10 pm |
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Great reminder Bar-Fly! Thanks for the info!! 
Also, help "others" understand where those improperly discarded plastics and garbage end up!!
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch
PS I wonder how many Minerals and how much Energy goes into making kite boarding gear? More than we'd care to feel responsible for I'd imagine??
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| The remains of a Laysan Albatross chick which was fed plastic by its parents resulting in death |
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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Oahu
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2028 Posts
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| Sat Jun 12, 10 6:45 am |
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yes,
be "green green" save the planet by spending less ,buy local ,save fuel,buy used ,save resources,buy quality, keep it longer
plenty of ways to make a smaller footprint.
Buying a lot shit takes a lot of money which takes a lot of resources to create
I would like to see how the use of resources breaks down by income $.
I'm continually amazed by how much shit people have and never use or use very little ,look at any boat harbor,and the fukin Mc Mansions are out of control 
But being red green is what we get mostly,subsidized projects that are only "feel good",like buying a tiny car that won't carry all your shit for an enormous amount of money to "save" fuel ,those fukers cost so much you'll never recoup those $
Like windmills and solar power both which require standby oil or coal generators running at 40-60% of full power to be ready"spool-up" for dips in the wind or if the sun goes behind a cloud (we can't wait for the sun to come back 
Instead of fixing the grid to actually make these resources become practical
we give our tax $$ to these outfits making these things ,because it makes us feel good I guess
but not me 
So instead of commiting to the advancement of things that we know work
we just keep sucking up the resources and painting the picture of being "green"
nothing changes, it appears to me the pols are just in it for ??
I'm not sure why anyone would want to be in politics
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FlyDunes
Since 09 Oct 2007
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| Sat Jun 12, 10 8:15 am |
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Why is it that no one ever discusses the REAL problem behind all these issues?
The real problem is that there are way too many people. Nearly every major problem we have with energy, water, other resources and pollution can be boiled down to that single root cause.
What we really need is one hell of a lot less people.
Or we can blindly "be fruitful and multiply" until our children die starving in a ruined world....
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Sat Jun 12, 10 10:52 am |
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War, famine and pestulence is what you are promoting? 
it used to take care of the humans pretty well
but it's kinda out dated 
Many of the folks I met in Mx. came from the type of families you describe
20+ children ,but the current baby producers are just having 1 or 2 children
education has probably been the biggest factor
but economics played just as big a part
I would think as the world becomes more local the needs can be met.
But I'm a humanist ,I've been told,
I think we can solve our problems
as long as people want to do the right thing
uh oh the windsup
gonna have to solve the worlds problems later
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
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| Sat Jun 12, 10 10:31 pm |
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| Too many people? NO. Too many greedy people mismanaging resources, YES. The earth provides enough resources many times over to supply plenty for those on it. We just likke to get in our own way looking out for numero uno rather than looking out for our neighbor.
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Sun Jun 13, 10 6:24 am |
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too many people. I think we should start with kiting ....
no more people.....
keep our launches sustainable... 
flydunes there are too many north coasties already no more kiting for you I will spread the word to the para crowd and see if they still feel your footprint will squeez in there to.
people are the virus/maggots and humancentricity is a issue. However I think hurricanes and tidal waves and avalanches will still happen if people were not around
enjoy and try to be responsible in your daily decisions.
Just because resources are available doesn't mean we know what the fuck we are doing to manage them oruse them responsibly
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Sun Jun 13, 10 1:44 pm |
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| K4L wrote: | | Too many people? NO. Too many greedy people mismanaging resources, YES. The earth provides enough resources many times over to supply plenty for those on it. We just likke to get in our own way looking out for numero uno rather than looking out for our neighbor. |
We're currently using about 25% more resources than earth produces.
If everyone had the same living standard of us in the west earth could comfortably sustain about 800 million people..maybe up to 1 billion.
The oceash fish stck is down by 90%, fresh water stock is lower, we're dependent on non-renewable energy, the industries that pollute the most in terms of green house gases are home free...(meat industry produce about 30% of green house gases...world wide airline traffic is about 9%).
Unless we do some serious re-prioritizing and collective management we'll be in serious trouble. Though technologies are getting better I think it will be hard to grow out of the current future path.
Hmm, that was a downer...the problem I think is the world political and environmental systems are based on the election terms, not longer term. I do think we can solve the problems ahead, but we need to deflate a little first. 
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| FlyDunes wrote: | | The real problem is that there are way too many people. |
I think a bigger problem lies in habits those people get accustomed to. While study after study has shown how big an impact conservation could have, there's little money made in encouraging less consumption. Our society equates production to survival and excess to success.
Humans are one problem, human behavior a bigger beast. I see it daily when my neighbors drive the few hundred feet to our local Safeway, then return with two or three light double-bagged plastic sacks of dinner groceries. Shutting off lights when leaving rooms, using stainless bottles for filtered tap water, combining errands and scheduling them instead of running out when bored or as needed, and carrying reusable bags (one of mine was my first kite) to fast food and hardware stores and the like, not just grocery stores. Taking just what you need and being resourceful with what you've got is a simple strategy, but from our youth we're bombarded with media saying we need the fastest and newest cars (etc), and any proposal to tax gas or plastic is met with biggest scream of "you're taking away our freedom!". We're taught that If you're different you suck. God forbid you ride a bike to work or for errands; you get honked and screamed at and accused of being an anti-car liberal greenie (like my mode of transportation actually dictates my political beliefs).
On the other extreme we have feel-good green-washing. My company produces silicon chips that mostly end up in rivers in China, but I got a kick out of a newsletter saying our "green team" is "helping save the Earth" by replacing the scores of styrofoam cups we use for tea and coffee with company mugs. Yay! Go team! Oh, and it just happens to save us a few pennies.
So yes, we're all hypocrites. While it's true our boards burned oil (or coal) to produce, though, I reuse mine as much as possible and never leave it behind to blow around in rivers or on beaches!
Onad, your picture reminds me of the bird I watched eat a plastic cup yesterday at Crissy Field. Fortunately it was just a seagull.
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