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Windian

Since 28 Apr 2008
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PostSun May 02, 10 6:47 pm    Environmental Catastrophe Reply with quote

These are some of the saddest days of our ocean minded lives as BP's well head continues to spew poisen into our ocean. All attempts at stopping the well head from gushing and containing the oil slick are turning out to be futile.

This is a perfect example how corporate deregulation and greed can end up destroying all that the Earth has to offer us. Oil is a necessary part of our technology and our way of life, but when drilling in the ocean all safety protocols should be enforced and not left up to the corporations to self-regulate and deem certain events "unlikely" and not have to take all steps to prevent catastrophies.

Most other nations require the secondary "acoustic shut off switch"which would have prevented this event by closing the blowout valve at the well head. But not in our country where profit takes priority over environmental protection as emphasized and politically promoted by such power players as our previous administration (Bush and Co.)

This may end up being one of the worst human created environmental disasters ever if they can't get the gusher closed until a new hole is drilled to relieve the pressure. BP America should also have all assets ceased and be required to pay for the whole clean-up and lost livihoods by everyone as this cancer spreads it way around the globe.

Next time some idiot like Sarah Palin starts chanting "Drill, Baby, Drill" everyone should remind her and her cohorts about this "Spill, Baby, Spill".

Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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jblum

Since 13 Jul 2008
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PostSun May 02, 10 8:08 pm     Reply with quote

Amen.
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wylieflyote

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PostSun May 02, 10 8:30 pm    Re: Environmental Catastrophe Reply with quote

Windian wrote:
BP America should also have all assets ceased and be required to pay for the whole clean-up and lost livihoods by everyone as this cancer spreads it way around the globe.


Prediction: End of next fiscal year BP shows record high earnings! And hello again to $4+ per gallon trips to the Gorge this summer. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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mschulz

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PostSun May 02, 10 8:47 pm    Re: Environmental Catastrophe Reply with quote

wylieflyote wrote:
Windian wrote:
BP America should also have all assets ceased and be required to pay for the whole clean-up and lost livihoods by everyone as this cancer spreads it way around the globe.


Prediction: End of next fiscal year BP shows record high earnings! And hello again to $4+ per gallon trips to the Gorge this summer. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


So true, but it totally pisses me off. Those bastards. Evil or Very Mad

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Sol-flyer

Since 21 Mar 2006
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PostSun May 02, 10 9:37 pm     Reply with quote

Well, If you truly care then stop buying gas and get a different means of transportation. All in All, the whole system is corrupt and our fore fathers would be rolling in there graves if they seen how "we the people" let our government take control yet agian....tisk tisk

end of rant Rolling Eyes .

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Brad

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PostMon May 03, 10 1:03 am     Reply with quote

That's not a rant, it's not even an argument, hell, it's barely even a response.

You didn't address a single one of Windian's numerous valid points.

However, perhaps we are to infer from your extremely limited "rant" that.... umm, suggesting the possibility of imposing reasonable and readily available safety procautions as a requirement for businesses to carry out dangerous and potentially destructive work is actually a sign of him "not really caring"

What a fool windian must be to put forth such an ~overly compex~ solution to an environmental catastrophy, when you are here to tell him that if only he had ridden his bike to work that day, it never would have happened. Wow, I guess Windian owes BP a huge apology, and Obama should send the cleanup bill to him directly.

And as far as our Forefathers, the Preamble was describing how "We the people" were going to be forming a government, not seperating ourselves from it. If "we the people" decide it is unjust to allow the destructive and hazardous practices of BP to continue, and then impliment restrictions and oversight. IT WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT OUR FOREFATHERS WANTED TO EMPOWER US TO DO!!! To not have crude oil spills covering our oceans and shores. After all, it would be just, it would help insure domestic tranquility, and it would promote our general welfare. which, in case you're wondering, are a few of the things that our forefathers mention as our goals, is the last half of the VERY SAME SENTENCE you quoted them from.

See, this is what a rant looks like Shocked

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hobbsla

Since 28 Jan 2006
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PostMon May 03, 10 3:12 am     Reply with quote

Dude.

When Sol said "you" I'm pretty sure he meant people in general and wasn't attacking Windian personally.

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Hein

Since 08 Mar 2005
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PostMon May 03, 10 6:13 am     Reply with quote

Get informed:

http://topics.wsj.com/subject/D/deepwater-horizon-oil-spill/6051

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Sol-flyer

Since 21 Mar 2006
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PostMon May 03, 10 6:24 am     Reply with quote

HAHAHA

everybody's got there own opinoin and this is a kite forum right? I am a pretty chill guy and the experiences i've had in life show me that the whole system is corrupt. "you" is really reffering to all of us...so i ask all of YOU, what have you been doing to change the way we live? becuase thats how it starts, in our neighborhood's, our local communities.

we have been nearly in a depression and many of us are suffering financially, meanwhile BP exec's are living it up,...right next to Enron.

windian, thanks for bringin this up and your passion for change.

-end of rant Rolling Eyes

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broadbandito

Since 26 Apr 2005
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PostMon May 03, 10 6:40 am     Reply with quote

The situation in the Gulf is sucking, and I'm no drilling expert but don't get the sense anyone is confident that the gushing will stop anytime soon. So it will get worse. #$#^!

Sol has the problem by the root. Oil production is not an environmentally friendly business in general, and the harder crude gets to find, the greater the hazards and environmental cost to get it. Any safety engineering only works as well as designed, and when rigs explode and fail in 5,000 ft waters, "failsafe" is probably delusional.

I guess my point is that I can vilify companies and government all I want, but in the end we can't expect cheap, plentiful fuel to gush at our local gas station without paying some monster costs to get it there. We all own a piece of this (except those who ride bikes to the launch site and fly petroleum free kites and ride wooden boards harvested and shaped with an axe).

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Scribble

Since 18 Nov 2005
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PostMon May 03, 10 7:57 am     Reply with quote

This oil spill absolutely makes me sick. I grew up on the coast of Alabama and still have family there. I want to move back there one day. That place is so freaking beautiful. Just last Christmas my cousin was telling me that the fish population in Mobile Bay had just come back to what we were used to growing up. They have really been working hard on conservation down there, despite all the hurricanes that kept setting them back.

I just can't imagine those beautiful estuaries covered in an oil slick.

BP should have to use every penny they have to clean up and reimburse the local communities. I feel sorry for all the people who would loose their jobs, but a company should have to sell everything and no longer be a company after a failure to that magnitude.

I honestly don't think we will stop using oil until there is better available alternatives for transportation. "Who killed the electric car?" I'm just not in good enough shape to bike from Portland to Hood River for a kiteboarding session . I do car pool as much as possible.

Fuck BP

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scottnorby

Since 23 Sep 2005
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PostMon May 03, 10 8:30 am     Reply with quote

I have to agree with the F - BP remark.

And it's deeper than most of you river lovers know.

BP is brutal.

They recently bought a company that makes fish feed pellets.

And now they are giving money to the CCA (Coastal Conservancy Association).
CCA was founded by Walter Fondren who is the heir to the Exxon fortune.
So Exxon is involved too.

The CCA is trying to get rid of commercial salmon fishing in the Columbia river by making a claim that gillnets should be criminal.

They claim to be a "conservation" group but they have devastated fishing communities all over the US by posing as caretakers.
They are really just gaining more control over the waters to install oil platforms, natural gas facilities, and commerce transit routes for both.

And now BP has even invested in the fish pellets because BP is aware that getting rid of one of the largest salmon harvests in the US will also open up doors for fish farms to raise salmon in pens and feed them their fish pellets.

I guess it's their way of looking even further into the future.
Very deceptive.

Salmon fish farming is growing and it's a mess. REALLY bad stuff.
Never buy farmed salmon.

It is said that BP and Exxon are also both involved in the LNG terminal (liquid natural gas) deal in the lower Columbia.

Bringing in huge cargo ships full of frozen liquid natural gas to processing plants which they want to build right on the river.

These giant terminals will destroy salmon habitat and have a lot of potential for more damages to the river.

The oil industry knows that if there are damages to the salmon the commercial fisherman will have to be paid off----lawsuits galore.

This happened in Valdez and will happen now in the gulf.

So supporting the CCA in getting rid of commercial fisherman serves a couple of purposes and it's bully'ish.

CCA is now gathering support from pole fisherman who also would like to have all the salmon to themselves---------so the promise of no commercial nets in the river seems appealing to them.

The CCA hosts meetings at country clubs for golfer/fisherman to join their cause.
They claim if they can get rid of the commercial fisherman they will have all the fish to themselves.

Unfortunately the sport fisherman are being misled.....And anyone who works for Washington or Oregon fish and wildlife will say (and have told me personally)

Without commercial fishing Bonneville will stop giving up federally mandated money to the hatchery program.

So less fish will be had by all.

Less sport fishing.
Less commercial fishing.
More room for big oil to take over the river.

Obviously power companies are literally the forefront of power in the world.

And 400 commercial fisherman taking on the CCA which is backed by BP and Exxon seems like an impossible feat.

There will be a few things coming to the voters pamphlet next year and you can bet the CCA will announce a ballot measure to ban commercial salmon fishing in the river.

They already tried this year but the attorney general shot them down.

Big oil never quits destroying.

Don't let them take away our 20 million dollar a year natural resource industry of commercial salmon fishing and replace it with tankers full of natural gas.

And yeah----F*$# BP and Exxon and the CCA.

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windpig

Since 28 Aug 2008
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PostMon May 03, 10 9:01 am     Reply with quote

Don't think this all happens far from home either. BP recently had an explosion in Anacortes killing something like 6 people.

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boardrider

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PostMon May 03, 10 9:03 am     Reply with quote

What a sad catastrophe ..

1000 gal of oil spilled just offshore of Santa Barbara in 2009. I could smell the oil while I surfed, but it barely made the local news.

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windpig

Since 28 Aug 2008
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PostMon May 03, 10 9:03 am     Reply with quote

Oh yeah, lets not forget the e coli in our own river.

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windpig

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PostMon May 03, 10 9:04 am     Reply with quote

Oh yeah, lets not forget the e coli in our own river.

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pollywog

Since 07 Aug 2009
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PostMon May 03, 10 9:27 am     Reply with quote

In my humble opinion, it seems a lot of people simply do not care about or even think about the environment or the species (other then our own) that live in it (NOTICE: I said a lot, not ALL). Examples abound; Shooting sea lions because they eat the fish trying to make it past the dams we built; Killing whales in the southern oceans because a culture has a tradition; Killing baby seals in Canada because they eat the cod we want to consume; Cutting off fins of sharks in the oceans for soup. Those, as well, are environmental catastrophes. Oil spills happen at regular intervals all over the world. Raw sewage regularly flows unimpeded into waters all over the world. Rain forests get chopped down at alarming rates. The examples are numerous and quite sad.

My point is this: until we learn to value the environment we are so fortunate to live in, this will continue to happen until our species kills itself. It starts with each of us deciding to make small changes in our daily habits. Maybe instead of driving to the store, we walk, ride our bikes, skateboards, etc.; We think about the "big picture" when we decide to build structures or mitigate for land use or elect officials.

We have become short-term thinkers. That sort of thought process will be our demise.

As far as kiteboarding is concerned, we swim and play in a very large river. Pollution is entering that water daily no matter where you kite. Value that which you love. Do what ever you can to keep it healthy. There is always something the individual can do!

I am off my the soap box now.....

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