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Moto

Since 03 Sep 2006
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Still a gojo pimp!
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Mon Feb 08, 10 9:08 am |
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I would be curious to find out what the price is made up of:
- How much is profit?
- How much is to recoup R&D?
- How much is used to pay for marketing?
- How much is used to manufacture the product?
Price is definately relative. And a fair price is pretty much whatever the market can handle. Take NIKE shoes - is 120 bones for a pair of shoes fair? Maybe. The market is paying that amount - but it is interesting to note that the shoe cost maybe four bones to manufacture and a hundred bones to advertise. Not saying the same thing about kite manufactureres - I'm sure they don't have the same advertising budget - but to determine if the bar is reasonably price - it would be good to know what makes up that price.
Every kite advertisement. Every sponsored rider. Every sponsored kite event. That cash has got to come from some where - advertising and marketing has to make up a portion of the price of the bar. _________________ Still rockin gojos, *ssless chaps, and ankle weights! |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
648 Posts
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Mon Feb 08, 10 10:02 am |
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Moto wrote: | I would be curious to find out what the price is made up of:
- How much is profit?
- How much is to recoup R&D?
- How much is used to pay for marketing?
- How much is used to manufacture the product?
Price is definately relative. And a fair price is pretty much whatever the market can handle. Take NIKE shoes - is 120 bones for a pair of shoes fair? Maybe. The market is paying that amount - but it is interesting to note that the shoe cost maybe four bones to manufacture and a hundred bones to advertise. Not saying the same thing about kite manufacturers - I'm sure they don't have the same advertising budget - but to determine if the bar is reasonably price - it would be good to know what makes up that price.
Every kite advertisement. Every sponsored rider. Every sponsored kite event. That cash has got to come from some where - advertising and marketing has to make up a portion of the price of the bar. |
I would be interested to see the breakdown of where each dollar goes too, but, determining if it is "reasonably priced" is a subjective conclusion. Sometimes a 10% markup seems unreasonable and sometimes a 900% markup seems reasonable.
Without consideration for the profit margin, each consumer determines if an item is reasonably priced. If it is "unreasonable" consumers will not buy it.
The market determines reasonable pricing for a product, just like it determines how much we can ask our employers to compensate us for our labor/skillset.
I dont understand why prices are even an issue. No one is holding a gun to our head and forcing us to buy a specific brand of a product. If someone does not like the price of a product dont buy it, focus on a different activity, buy used, buy from a manufacturer with lower pricing or make your own equipment.
In the case of Slingshot bars, I hope SS makes a profit that they can plow into more R&D so they continue being innovators. Last edited by SalmonSlayer on Mon Feb 08, 10 11:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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4Stringer/KipWinger

Since 27 Apr 2005
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Hood River
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Mon Feb 08, 10 10:20 am Re: tangle bar |
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blowhard wrote: |
I"ve been using the "Tangle bar" (Longhorn) for 7 years
still the best design most ergonomic bar to date I've tried |
Same-here, agreed; best bar ever used hands-down. Last year was the first-year since 2000 that I didn't use the Longhorn. Had a kid, got lazy... ...I need to work-on retrofitting them with an updated release system. Wes Lapp's brain will be picked. Good prompt. _________________ revitalized by muthu-nachu |
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jblum
Since 13 Jul 2008
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The Gorge
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Mon Feb 08, 10 11:34 am |
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SalmonSlayer wrote: |
In the case of Slingshot bars, I hope SS makes a profit that they can plow into more R&D so they continue being innovators. |
Amen. Someone needs to keep innovating and pushing the industry, and as long as they keep making the goods, people will keep buying them. _________________ JHB |
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shymac

Since 20 Jul 2005
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Home Valley, Wa.
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Mon Feb 08, 10 1:35 pm |
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SS definitely' putting "best foot" forward when it comes to innovation and service. The Gorge is one of the best spots for sick riding, rider feedback, and testing.
Gorge riders rock and being HQd' in the Hood is sweeet!!!
Always lots of risk involved with bringing something new to the market, never truly know if riders will like it or not. Small market too so stuff tends to run a bit more then the mainstream product like snowboards, Mt bikes. Well maybe not Mt Bikes because I dished out 2500 for one and now I need one that's 4500 with all the latest bells and travel... HA! Hell.. I even spent 600.00 on a snowboard this year and it was only deck only... Plus I dished out another 250.00 for bindings and 450.00 for pass... Auhhh when does this madness end?!! (I don't mine paying retail "if I can afford it, if not I save for it" for gear, if it helps support the company's and business's that get me the gear I love to ride and gives back to the community ie supporting events,parties,demos,stoke.) So far I have spent around +? on just food alone and gas and it keeps adding up every time I go up. But I don't give a !@$#$# life costs; But fun is priceless no matter what you're up too. Just be stoked on the gear you love and it all washes out in the end! hopefully...  _________________ https://www.hipcamp.com/discover/washington/windwoodrivers
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K4L

Since 19 Jan 2009
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Mon Feb 08, 10 4:53 pm |
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shymac wrote: | SS definitely' putting "best foot" forward when it comes to innovation and service. The Gorge is one of the best spots for sick riding, rider feedback, and testing.
Gorge riders rock and being HQd' in the Hood is sweeet!!!
Always lots of risk involved with bringing something new to the market, never truly know if riders will like it or not. Small market too so stuff tends to run a bit more then the mainstream product like snowboards, Mt bikes. Well maybe not Mt Bikes because I dished out 2500 for one and now I need one that's 4500 with all the latest bells and travel... HA! Hell.. I even spent 600.00 on a snowboard this year and it was only deck only... Plus I dished out another 250.00 for bindings and 450.00 for pass... Auhhh when does this madness end?!! (I don't mine paying retail "if I can afford it, if not I save for it" for gear, if it helps support the company's and business's that get me the gear I love to ride and gives back to the community ie supporting events,parties,demos,stoke.) So far I have spent around +? on just food alone and gas and it keeps adding up every time I go up. But I don't give a !@$#$# life costs; But fun is priceless no matter what you're up too. Just be stoked on the gear you love and it all washes out in the end! hopefully...  |
Good to hear SS margins are keeping you in the gear!!  |
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shymac

Since 20 Jul 2005
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Home Valley, Wa.
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C Johnson

Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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Tue Feb 09, 10 1:31 pm |
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howbout looking at it from the standpoint that the US dollar value is not just in the toilet but at this point it seems to be somewhere between the toilet and the septic tank. Maybe prices are finally starting to adjust accordingly?
Fortunately unless you have that weird sickness where you have to own kites that have the same year stamped on them as the year you're currently in. You should be just fine rocking 09 gear in 10. or 08, 07, 06 gear...it does still work
brand new / old stock 2010 gear will have a reasonable price tag on it when the 2011 stuff hits the shelf anyway.
Besides, regardless of the dollar being weak, my guess is new prices will continue to going up as long as people agree to keep paying them. when the new gear starts collecting dust on the shelf the price will adjust accordingly to meet the market. and you can likely expect future R&D following such an adjustment to incorporate "cost cutting" and "lean manufacturing" instead of heavy clunky gadget candy.
just my two cents  _________________ www.youtube.com/c/christianjohnsons |
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C Johnson

Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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Tue Feb 09, 10 3:06 pm |
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I got a brand new 2010 one still wrapped up in plastic, will let go for $350 OBO... hit me up next month when I get back if interested. |
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boardrider

Since 05 Apr 2006
1034 Posts
Ventura, CA
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Tue Feb 09, 10 4:32 pm |
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the BAR (or KITE) does not make the kiteboarder
just like
the CAMERA does not make the photographer
or
the SURFBOARD make the surfer
or
the GUITAR make the musician
etc,etc,ETC
Ruben could still rip it up w/ an old Fuel & a Jarvis
Colby or Lance could probably make a stunning photo w/ an old FM1 and B&W film
Slater surfed the pipe masters on an old board
The right gear for your skill & style is most important IMO
(new kites ARE nice tho - ) |
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stringy

Since 23 Jun 2006
1736 Posts
vancouver
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Wed Feb 10, 10 9:51 am |
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ever try to make something?
I have.
I actually do it everyday.
R and D is not cheap.
sometimes it takes a lot of time and money to make it happen.
as for the product in question, we'll see how they sell this season.
Whatever the market will bear. That's how it works.
If you think you can make something comparable to that for less, have at it.
I have.
Sometimes I have to ask myself, can I make that cheaper or better than what it is offered for?
Sometimes I can. If I can't okay I'll buy it if I want it that bad.
Good job to Slingshot for making a product that is top quality. they are setting the bar high with this bar (pun) _________________ www.jimstringfellow.com |
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strapless101
Since 17 Aug 2009
82 Posts
gorge
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Wed Feb 10, 10 10:33 am |
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Any idea how many of those "new" kites in the gorge were actually purchased at retail? I know no one who actually pays full price for a kite, seems as if everybody's on the "friends and family" program (not just ss). But you gotta admit, with the friends and family discount you can't afford to not get new gear, cause you can sell it for what you bought it for the following year.
I guess it comes down to all those people paying retail are supporting those with the right friends. |
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C Johnson

Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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Wed Feb 10, 10 10:52 am |
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corruption at its finest.
get a discount and pass the debt onto some poor unknowing kook
for only half the price of a $60k wakeboarding boat you can learn to kiteboard!
that's a 50% savings!!! WOW!  _________________ www.youtube.com/c/christianjohnsons |
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forrest

Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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Wed Feb 10, 10 11:09 am |
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Geez, Don't complain that you don't have friends or family in the industry and that you don't live in Hood River so you can't get kites cheap.
How about you to move to Hood River? I would love to see Hood River's year round population grow. Bring your business/job or your savings account because there aren't any jobs or money to be made here. The cost of living here compared to what most people make is "viciously" imbalanced.
Hood River is a community of people who take care of each other. Business owners know that keeping the year round community alive is vital to their continued success. One possible avenue to get on a friends and family program is to get involved in the CGKA and do something good for the community.
Put your time and money where you mouth is, you'll get out what you put in. |
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Moto

Since 03 Sep 2006
2698 Posts
Still a gojo pimp!
Moto Mouth
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Wed Feb 10, 10 11:55 am |
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stringy wrote: |
If you think you can make something comparable to that for less, have at it.
I have.
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Stringy, thats cool that you can make yer own stuff. However, I really hope people don't start taking your advice. There are enough issues in the gorge with agressive riders, crowding, tomahawking, newbs kiting in an unsafe manner, advanced riders kiting in an unsafe manner - what we really don't need is a bunch of people trying out their home made gear out on the spit to see if it works. That sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.
But as far as 500 bones for a bar. To each their own man - if its worth it to a rider then so be it. But for me, and I'm sure many others - $500 is just too much. I won't try and make my own bar - I'll ride older gear or a different brand. Or I'll just try and become a friend or family member  _________________ Still rockin gojos, *ssless chaps, and ankle weights! |
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C Johnson

Since 17 Apr 2009
854 Posts
Seattle
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Wed Feb 10, 10 12:52 pm |
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hahaha forest nice response man.
I don't know enough about this issue to really say too much but from what little I have heard it sounds like Hoodriver is somewhat screwed in terms of major growth due to the Columbia Gorge National Scenic Area Act.
I like the gorge though and if I had a business I could move there I would probably try to do so. that place is a true outdoor playground.
Any single slingshot girls looking for a guy to marry? I promise I'll spend every penny I save through friends and family discount on you.
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