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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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Trash 80 & punch cards, Yeah!
Store my tools in it now but back in the day this sucker was just one of many filled with cards.
We once put a bucket load of chad in a guy's suitcase when he got married. It got into his camera and seriously fucked it up.
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Fri Dec 04, 09 3:21 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: | You're a Linux user and never seen a more polluted and convoluted interface? KDE? Gnome?
BTW, the reason most people think vista sucks is because security was priority number 1. Security and Usability are mutually exclusive, and you have to strike a balance. The UAC escalations are there to try and stop malware from changing settings on your system. If one of those prompts up when you weren't expecting, you can decline the action and know that your system is compromised. You can disable UAC but then you're not as protected. Now don't go all crazy on me saying malware only affects Windows, you're a fool if you believe that. |
How is usability and security mutually exclusive? That old hand on new technology.
Usability is NOT the same as openess and options to mess up stuff.
In anycase, I'll give one reason why VISTA sucks ass. It hangs. It keeps on writing to disk so much that most of my programs have to wait to be processed. It does not handle memory very efficient and it does not prioritze the use of memory well. I have decent systems, and taken the fluff off it. It has a lot of junk attached to it and you really cannot argue that it is because of security.
I am using all three platforms, teaching on Mac (not a fan at all), working on Windows, and using linux for server technologies. Yesterday I put an Ubunto distro on a small pc, out of the box it comes with all the software a regular user needs. It comes reasonably well configured out of the box...and the initial load on the ram is...115 mb..and it took 10 mins to install. Oh of course, if you need more software, you can just YUM install it...
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Fri Dec 04, 09 3:22 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: | | Another thing that sucks about Apple, the Genius Bar. Got a problem with your Apple product, no problem, they'll help you next week when they can get to it. Hope your iPhone doesn't break while trying to update to the software right before you leave for a trip like mine did. I had to practically stand in front of the store with a picket sign to get them to take a look at it before the flight left. |
true.
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Fri Dec 04, 09 3:29 pm |
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Funny thing though....I was laughed out of the room when presented this 6-7 years ago we did a business analysis of the OS market. McNealy of Sun was talking about the future of the thin clients they have been pushing the past 22+ years.
You don't pay for hardware, you pay for storage, processing and bandwidth.
Wait a few more years and see where the cloud have taken us 
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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Couve / Hood
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| Fri Dec 04, 09 9:31 pm |
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The thing that makes the chrome OS idea work is the quality of Google Apps on the web. As a web developer, they blow me away with what they can do in a web browser.
No offenses to Mr McNealy but Java is too slow for client apps. java on the client is all but dead. 10 years ago I thought Java was going to own everything but I think combination Sun vs. MS, slowness factor, and the fact the JRE needs to update every 10 minutes maybe had something to do with it dying.
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hopefall
Since 13 Feb 2009
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| Fri Dec 04, 09 10:13 pm |
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Nerd thread...Love it!!! 
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 12:00 am |
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Cool, I'm not the only middle-aged geek kiter around here!
| Hein wrote: | | KIM iirc (not my wife) was one of them |
KIM was my intro to asm, predecessor to the VIC-20 and C-64.
Was programming the Hero-1 as a kid (and getting beat up a lot).
Looks kinda like a Dalek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HERO_(robot)
Now we have bookstores selling Saas: http://aws.amazon.com
It's all about the data now... and you thought you weren't just a number!
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 3:32 am |
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| pkh wrote: |
No offenses to Mr McNealy but Java is too slow for client apps. java on the client is all but dead. 10 years ago I thought Java was going to own everything but I think combination Sun vs. MS, slowness factor, and the fact the JRE needs to update every 10 minutes maybe had something to do with it dying. |
Two things. If you run Java on a Sun client, it is a much different experience.
..but in general I'd agree, but it is still a very much alive on the serverside. It is bloated up a lot, but still in general he was right as he was actually not talking specifically about java, but about how the infrastructure is changing. Where your apps are SASS, or all the ASS'es you can think of. Basically what he said was the hardware was provided free, and you subscribe to services, like applications, processing, bandwidth etc.....which is exactly what is happening today. Look at the pricing structure at Amazon. I am guessing that he hoped jave would be the platform, but they have definitely dropped the ball.
Btw. I agree with you on what the google guys achieve with a browser. I think their total service package is by far the best one good, and as long as clients like us believe them when they say "Don't be evil" they'll thrive.
Looking at the class I teach at UH, most of them use the google apps for both presentations and for papers. Say what you want, that is definitely a sign-o-the-times.
http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/05/google-bets-big-on-html-5.html
http://www.youtube.com/html5
ps. Bing was down the other day...hardly anyone noticed.
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Miner
Since 14 Sep 2008
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 7:23 am |
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| Quote: | | Bing was down the other day...hardly anyone noticed |
hahaha, it blows my mind when people try to make a new search engine.
How can u compete with google?
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 8:46 am |
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| Yea, SAAS is a pretty nifty thing, I've moved a lot of stuff up to google the past few months.
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 8:50 am |
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| Quote: | http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/05/google-bets-big-on-html-5.html
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Good points are brought out in the comments to this article. There's something to be said about reliance on a constant connection, trustworthiness of served data, and trust in the data provider's use and protection of further collected data. As we migrate the app we also globalize the vulnerability.
| Quote: | | How can u compete with google? |
Last I checked competition was a good thing for us! You can't compete with their free lunches though...
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 12:06 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: | | Yea, SAAS is a pretty nifty thing, I've moved a lot of stuff up to google the past few months. |
Ah, so I really need to get my acronyms in order..I think I have ALD..acronym learning disability...there is probably a pill for that.
Anyhoo, but moving stuff over has to be done with open eyes. I am surprised to see how many people who never back up their data, have no idea who their providers are.
In terms of cloud services there should be standards developed. There is no real way to secure the integrity of data and information. For instance, google has their set on a river bed (for cheaper cooling). 1600 machines to a container, then a ton of containers..what happens if the river goes wild or if there is another natural disaster. I do not really know the risk, I am assuming they know how to calculate risk. I am sure there will be problems when more businesses move over to Amazon or Google services. My point if really that we need to quantify the risk a little better.
Anyhow, this is a nice little writeup on clouds as the 5th utility..I think it already is. Finland made internet connection a basic right. Damn...reminds me. Back to writing my dissertation.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V06-4V47C7R-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1123499213&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=af3a875c43e76d9dd8345e19acb168b3
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Mark
Since 20 Jun 2005
3678 Posts
I need my fix because I'm a
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 1:38 pm |
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More update:
Windows 7 on a 64bit machine is MUCH faster than vista. I suggest the upgrade.
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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retired kiter & motorhead Unicorn Master
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| I have to say that windows 7 is much faster. Well, hard to say how much faster as my new laptop has an I7 quad core and a solid state drive. Tautologies, if your write allot to disk that you should look into a solid state drive. My boot up time, with ALOT of programs installed is seriously less than 30 seconds. It is blistering fast and whisper silent as there is no moving parts in a solid state drive.
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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| Sat Dec 05, 09 9:01 pm |
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Have you guys seen xenocode, or I think its spoon now or something... another interesting idea, everything in a VM.... no more installing
this is a cool demo (though doesn't work in chrome)
http://spoon.net/browsers/
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