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hiker1
Since 01 Jul 2007
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 Tue Sep 08, 09 1:39 pm Waroo settings for optimal power? |
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My first full season kiting --- getting upwind OK, but even riding a little over powered, it still feels like I want more power in the kite to lean against. I have the back lines set on AC and rig it 4 knots up from the bottom. Ride 07 & 08's.
Someone suggested BC setting was better for power. Or maybe my stance just needs more work. I seek that (((locked and loaded))) feeling ya get when the kite is parked and you rip. I want to lean my full weight back vs the pull of the kite - yet am struggling to find that balance point consistently.
For Waroo riders, what are your go-to settings/knots?
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jbruxer
Since 24 Jul 2005
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 3:17 pm |
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| I ride 07's and I find that the 3rd knot up from the bottom is the money knot. Just a thought, but perhaps its not your knot settings thats the issue....maybe you need to try a bigger/smaller board out in order to find that balance. |
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 3:46 pm |
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your lines stretched an the kites out of trim
- are the wingtips pinched in (oversheeted) or parallel when fully sheeted in
maybe just need to fly a bigger kite?
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 3:56 pm |
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Except when I do not feel like pumping up another kite, I rarely use any knots except the two middle ones. This keeps the kite adjusted in the middle of its intended range(at least in my eyes it does) If you start using the knots closer to the kite you will find the kite to have a tendency to back stall and you will lose low end with the knots further from the kite.
I prefer to use the trim strap to adjust the trim on my kite. This way I have more control over the most usable range of the kite.
Try a different board/kite combo as has been suggested already
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jcohenx
Since 28 Aug 2007
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 5:45 pm |
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4 knots up from the bottom sounds high. I've never rigged that high before with any combo of board or wind/kite. It would help if we got some of your vitals: Body weight, line lengths and board size for the wind.
I have my 2009 11 m Waroo rigged on AA for fastest turning (the default rigging for the kite from the factory). Have you tried that setting?
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 6:13 pm |
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| B-C for steady gruntiest pull.... A-A to generate power with kite movement |
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Spike
Since 13 May 2007
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 7:49 pm |
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| K4L wrote: | | B-C for steady gruntiest pull.... A-A to generate power with kite movement |
Does nobody here use the bar's ability to control the power (i.e. bar position & trim line)? You don't need different knot positions to do that. I've flown my kites on the end knots for two years straight and never messed with knots. If I need more power I pull the bar in, if i still need more i get a bigger kite, going up a few knots will just make your kite stall more easily.
Personally I find the knots an entirely unnecessary feature 
If you can't lean back when you think you have enough power you might be trying to cut upwind too hard. |
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Kraemer
Since 24 Apr 2006
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 8:27 pm |
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I pretty much fly on A-B, 3rd knot; almost always--
If I know I'm gonna be lit, sometimes 2nd knot from bottom |
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 8:34 pm |
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| Spike wrote: | | K4L wrote: | | B-C for steady gruntiest pull.... A-A to generate power with kite movement |
Does nobody here use the bar's ability to control the power (i.e. bar position & trim line)? You don't need different knot positions to do that. I've flown my kites on the end knots for two years straight and never messed with knots. If I need more power I pull the bar in, if i still need more i get a bigger kite, going up a few knots will just make your kite stall more easily.
Personally I find the knots an entirely unnecessary feature
If you can't lean back when you think you have enough power you might be trying to cut upwind too hard. |
The A-B-C settings arent about "controlling the power" but rather the feel of the kite. Then you adjust the knot position/trim strap for tuning to wind conditions |
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Spike
Since 13 May 2007
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 9:33 pm |
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| K4L wrote: | | Spike wrote: | | K4L wrote: | | B-C for steady gruntiest pull.... A-A to generate power with kite movement |
Does nobody here use the bar's ability to control the power (i.e. bar position & trim line)? You don't need different knot positions to do that. I've flown my kites on the end knots for two years straight and never messed with knots. If I need more power I pull the bar in, if i still need more i get a bigger kite, going up a few knots will just make your kite stall more easily.
Personally I find the knots an entirely unnecessary feature
If you can't lean back when you think you have enough power you might be trying to cut upwind too hard. |
The A-B-C settings arent about "controlling the power" but rather the feel of the kite. Then you adjust the knot position/trim strap for tuning to wind conditions |
Oh bar pressure adjustment, sorry I misunderstood  |
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hiker1
Since 01 Jul 2007
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Portland
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 9:40 pm |
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| jcohenx wrote: | 4 knots up from the bottom sounds high. I've never rigged that high before with any combo of board or wind/kite. It would help if we got some of your vitals: Body weight, line lengths and board size for the wind.
I have my 2009 11 m Waroo rigged on AA for fastest turning (the default rigging for the kite from the factory). Have you tried that setting? |
Vitals = 195lbs, 25M lines, and I tend to rig over powered. If I see mostly 9's, I'll rig an 11M. My North X-ride 141 is my go-to board.
I do wear a DaKine Fusion seat harness as I have a weak disc from an old injury in my lower back, so it provides more support. But I do think it makes proper posture more of an issue? Basically when I lean into the pull of the kite - about 1/2 the time it feels like I'm gonna fall in the water vs feeling confident the return pull will hold me in place. Too much dang kite movement....
Thanks for the kite wisdom all!!!  |
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JUMPIN JIMI
Since 11 Nov 2006
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| Tue Sep 08, 09 10:09 pm |
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windpig
Since 28 Aug 2008
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| Wed Sep 09, 09 8:25 am |
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It does sound like your body position might be a little off. I have been flying waroos for a couple of years now and I have had the best luck with the AA setting and up 2nd or 3rd knot. I think if you are going up to the 4th knot your are likely over sheeting the kite which will actually kill the power in your kite. When you pull your bar all the way towards you. Your back lines should just straighten out i.e. no slack. If your wing tips pull in when you power the kite all the way then you have too much back line tension. Hope this helps.
P.S. Your weight shouldn't have that much to do with it. I weigh more than you and I don't have to resort to going up a kite size. |
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