OT - ' THE COVE ' documentation of dolfin slaughter

pdxmonkeyboy · Mon Aug 03, 09 9:37 am

I don't think its fair to say that the only people that can have an opinion on the issue is vegans. Unlike vegans that seem to see the world in black and white, it truth, it is a myriad of grays. Besides, I am suspicious of anyone who doesn't enjoy the occasional ice cream cone.

Nonetheless, like many an informed consumer, I make choices on what food I eat that takes into account the techniques and impacts of purchasing that food and thereby supporting the industry. So you won't see me eating grain fed beef, farmed salmon, or cage free-antibiotic free eggs.

I don't see a whole lot of merit in the "a mammal is a mammal is a mammal". Last time I checked, we are mammals and cannibalism is generally frowned upon, just a little bit. Why can't we eat the sick or obese? We are just mammals. Is it because we have a self awareness and a consciousness?

Whose to say that dolphins don't have a conscious? Does killing a mouse with a snap trap have the same moral implications as smashing the head of a gorilla in with a sledge hammer? Despite one persons view on this forum, I believe the general consensus is that they are not the same.

Humans have evolved and prospered in large part due to the domestication of animals. Religious beliefs aside (which to me includes veganism) it has become culturally accepted that there are certain species of animals that we farm for the sole purposes of food and their are species that are captured in the wild for food (fish). In this country, dolphins are generally regarded as intelligent, friendly, and intriguing animals and are not grown or caught for the purpose of food.

To make the statement that they are only animals or that only vegans get to decide is a gross simplification of the issue.

tonski · Since 11 Jun 2005 332 Posts NW Portland Obsessed

I think my post above was too long to miss the main point - This is a much more horrific situation b/c the dolphins are actually tortured for up to a week before they are killed - MUCH worse than slaughterhouses. Please watch the documentary to understand more.

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

The main points are:

- The terrorizing, capture & slaughter of these animals in an inhumane way.

- They are not killing them for just food. They kill them because they consider them pests - competition for food.

- Most Japanese do not eat dolphins, and are unknowingly eating the meat.

The focus is not to condemn a people because of cultural differences. It is to bring awareness to a situation that even most Japanese do not know about.

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

tinyE · Since 21 Jan 2006 2004 Posts not really an XTreme Poster

SalmonSlayer does kind of have a point.
We like dolphins because they are cute
and cuddly and look like they are smiling,
and seem intelligent.

Cows can smile too.
I raised cows growing up.
My cows were pets, and seemed
to recognize me (more than other people anyway).
One day, during dinner, my dad
told me I was eating one of my pets. Thanks dad...

Dolphins aren't raised for slaughter like cows are,
but I'm pretty sure neither animal knows
the difference.

This situation in Japan....
Unnecessary? Absolutely.
Inhumane? Heck yeah.
I'm I sad to see it? It bothers me when any
animal is killed.

But I eat meat, and fish.

I love dolphins too. Fun watching them swim
along beside you when you're in a boat.
But I also love the smell of a cow pasture, sort
of takes me back home.

boardrider · Since 05 Apr 2006 1034 Posts Ventura, CA XTreme Poster

Totally see your point Brett. I eat meat and fish too.

I don't think the purpose of this movie is to condemn a people for cultural differences in diet, as much as it is to bring awareness to a situation most Japanese don't even know about.

tinyE · Since 21 Jan 2006 2004 Posts not really an XTreme Poster

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

But it's even worse when the events are guarded in an organized effort to avoid public scrutiny.

I heard an inteview on OPB's fresh air and the guy who trained flipper was on, he is also the driving force behind The Cove.

He made the statement that to tolerate this type of babaric disregard for life is untollerable and should be stopped. The then played the screams of the dolphins as they were slaughtered by the fishermen.

He said that even a slaughter house is less barbaric because it is quickly over.

I wanna watch, but I'm affraid how it will affect me,
Crying or Very sad

tstansbury · Since 06 Jun 2006 649 Posts Rowena and P.C Addicted

I have seen some nasty slaughter house footage as well. their is also something to be said to liveing free untill you are ate vs beiing stuck in a pen. But to slaughter animals not to eat is wrong.

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

The Japanese fishermen look at these Dolphin's as fish. There are much smarter and have more "soul" and than cod fish.

The gathering of these perfect looking Dolphin's is so that tourist can swim with them, see them in parks etc. It's entertainment at an incredible cost.

I've been in feed lot's and I've been in slaughter houses and I'm sure that the cows are being treated with a quick death. Wrong as that may be I still eat hamburger and my family raises organic range fed beef.

The terror that these Dolphins are subjected to by the Japanese fishermen are also actively whaling.. moby dick style..

Crazy

Kataku2k3 · Since 14 Aug 2005 3754 Posts PDX-LA Videographer

I HATE Japanese people!

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

Some cattle with calves, I didn't see them being tortured, free range, and they looked like they were enjoying the weather. They are domesticated animals.

I think the guy who produced the movie The Cove said that it was occuring in Japan and that there was an estimated 25 men involved in the whole operation. The ironic thing is that the town where it takes place is very much set up as a tourist town for Dolphins. There are signs all around saying how wonderful dolphins are etc.

The folks in the town have no idea that this activity is taking place, nor do most of the people in Japan.

bulae99 · Since 12 Jul 2006 1692 Posts XTreme Poster

Some cattle with calves, I didn't see them being tortured, free range, and they looked like they were enjoying the weather. They are domesticated animals.

I think the guy who produced the movie The Cove said that it was occuring in Japan and that there was an estimated 25 men involved in the whole operation. The ironic thing is that the town where it takes place is very much set up as a tourist town for Dolphins. There are signs all around saying how wonderful dolphins are etc.

The folks in the town have no idea that this activity is taking place, nor do most of the people in Japan.