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ktbrdr123
Since 25 May 2009
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 Mon May 25, 09 7:59 am Tickets: Are fishermen getting preferential treatment? |
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This is related to the $1000 RR crossing Lyle situation.
The past year, I have seen vans and trucks parked between the Columbia river and the active railroad on I-84. This is in the area from Wyeth to Viento. I seem to recall it was close to the weigh stations. They are literally 3 feet from the tracks and obviously drove alongside the tracks to get to their spots. One guy had a lounge chair, white van, and sturgeon rod and was there all day. Wish I had my camera ready.
Could a kitesurfer or windsurfer park there like the fishermen and get away with it? There's some good spots in that area. It'd be a great place to launch or windsurf from on the Oregon side.
Or are the fishers getting preferential treatment? |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Mon May 25, 09 8:46 am |
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yes they are
what's a preferential? |
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TheDog
Since 25 May 2009
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| Mon May 25, 09 8:50 am Re: Tickets: Are fishermen getting preferential treatment? |
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| ktbrdr123 wrote: | This is related to the $1000 RR crossing Lyle situation.
The past year, I have seen vans and trucks parked between the Columbia river and the active railroad on I-84. This is in the area from Wyeth to Viento. I seem to recall it was close to the weigh stations. They are literally 3 feet from the tracks and obviously drove alongside the tracks to get to their spots. One guy had a lounge chair, white van, and sturgeon rod and was there all day. Wish I had my camera ready.
Could a kitesurfer or windsurfer park there like the fishermen and get away with it? There's some good spots in that area. It'd be a great place to launch or windsurf from on the Oregon side.
Or are the fishers getting preferential treatment? |
I'm sure they leave the fishermen alone since they aren't always bitching about the DOGS.....
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K4L
Since 19 Jan 2009
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| Mon May 25, 09 9:26 am Re: Tickets: Are fishermen getting preferential treatment? |
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| TheDog wrote: |
I'm sure they leave the fishermen alone since they aren't always bitching about the DOGS..... |
I see Bonetti was really sincere with his apology  |
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TheDog
Since 25 May 2009
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| Mon May 25, 09 9:32 am Re: Tickets: Are fishermen getting preferential treatment? |
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| K4L wrote: | | TheDog wrote: |
I'm sure they leave the fishermen alone since they aren't always bitching about the DOGS..... |
I see Bonetti was really sincere with his apology |
Bonetti is a Cool Cat leave him out out this.
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gay4pay
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| Mon May 25, 09 2:04 pm Re: Tickets: Are fishermen getting preferential treatme |
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| TheDog wrote: | | K4L wrote: | | TheDog wrote: |
I'm sure they leave the fishermen alone since they aren't always bitching about the DOGS..... |
I see Bonetti was really sincere with his apology |
Bonetti is a Cool Cat leave him out out this.
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Yeah Bonetti is a legend in his own mind. You know what will be really funny....looking up Bonetti in 20 years. |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Mon May 25, 09 8:46 pm |
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| The Oregon side of the Railroad tracks are a completely different Railroad company with completely different policies. |
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Tommy
Since 12 Apr 2009
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| Tue May 26, 09 12:41 am |
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| Forrest wrote: | | The Oregon side of the Railroad tracks are a completely different Railroad company with completely different policies. |
Yup, I just realized this not too long ago myself: OR side is Union Pacific, WA side is Burlington Northern Santa Fe. Leaving aside bitching about dogs for a second, does anybody know the answer K123's question? Is UP cool with parking along the tracks? Have kiters and/or windsurfers gotten away with this, or just the fishermen? Has this been an issue in the past?
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tstansbury
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| Tue May 26, 09 8:30 am |
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| I think it just has to do with numbers If one or two cars park in a spot and cross the tracks when no trains are comeing it is not a problem. If 20 or 30 cars start parking and crossing the tracks illegally it becomes worth someones time to stop it. I lost a kite the other day at Mosier (somehow my leash released my chicken loop) the kite would not blow in so I had to go get my sup drive illegally down the railroad tracks and paddle out to get it when I got in the sherrif was their. I thought I was going to get a ticket for driveing down the rr road. But he just asked what happened made sure I wasn't cold and called in I was Ok and was on his way. I am sure if 20 cars started parking down their the ticket book would be out. |
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Pepi
Since 16 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 9:45 am |
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| Tommy wrote: | | Forrest wrote: | | The Oregon side of the Railroad tracks are a completely different Railroad company with completely different policies. |
Yup, I just realized this not too long ago myself: OR side is Union Pacific, WA side is Burlington Northern Santa Fe. Leaving aside bitching about dogs for a second, does anybody know the answer K123's question? Is UP cool with parking along the tracks? Have kiters and/or windsurfers gotten away with this, or just the fishermen? Has this been an issue in the past? |
Probably the biggest problem that we run into with Burlington Northern at Lyle is the highly visible and illegal pedestrian crossings across the tracks. And, even worse, the incidents when a train has to slow down or even stop for people. Each incident is reported and recorded by the engineers. If a certain location begins to receive enough incident reports (or even reports of parked vehicles blocking safety access), then they begin a process of determining how to fix the problem. This usually results in a large cyclone fence spanning as long a distance as they deem necessary (100yds or 3 miles) on either, or both sides of the tracks.
In regards to our situation in Lyle, the combination of Kiteboarders, Tourists and Local Lyle Swimmers has made that specific location a very high traffic area. Being that this situation pretty much breaks all of the railroad rules and has made it a highly visible incident situation, it is very likely that this could be our last season of having pedestrian access to this spot.
The CGKA has done everything possible to research options for access at this location, but were unsuccessful due to environmental, state related and railroad related issues and laws restricting any public use improvments or developments at this specific location.
There had been some hope that if we could fly low enough below their radar and slowly develop some local government/state support the possibility of improving access at Lyle could be revisited, but with the current state of affairs with kiters and tourists at this location, it is now fairly unlikely to ever be a possibility.
Anybody got a Waverunner?
Pepi
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Scribble
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| Tue May 26, 09 10:07 am |
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| Pepi wrote: |
If a certain location begins to receive enough incident reports (or even reports of parked vehicles blocking safety access), then they begin a process of determining how to fix the problem. This usually results in a large cyclone fence spanning as long a distance as they deem necessary (100yds or 3 miles) on either, or both sides of the tracks.
Pepi |
I'm sorry but that just seems to me to be such a fucking red neck way of solving problems. "We can't figure this shit out so let's just put up a fence and close it off". That exact lack of progression is why I no longer live in Alabama. I mean come on, put up a gate that closes when a train is coming. Build a pedestrian bridge etc... I understand, but I don't understand how a railroad track could block off such a beautiful place such as Lyle and take that away from the town and all of us that travel there for recreation. It seems to me it should be their problem to figure out how to make the access safe for us. But of course that would make sense.
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 11:24 am |
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| Pepi wrote: |
Anybody got a Waverunner?
Pepi |
Many of us talked about this on Sunday, as well as other options like the inflatable kayaks we use up here at Jetty Island. But someone in the crowd stated that it's impossible to paddle from the east side of the Klickatat R. because that's Indian land. And in addition that our mere presence on the Lyle bar is a violation of some natural habitat RCW.
Fight Club doomed?
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trevorsmith
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| Tue May 26, 09 11:39 am |
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as long as the fence looks like this..we should be OK 
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Pepi
Since 16 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 12:09 pm |
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| Scribble wrote: |
I'm sorry but that just seems to me to be such a fucking red neck way of solving problems. "We can't figure this shit out so let's just put up a fence and close it off". That exact lack of progression is why I no longer live in Alabama. I mean come on, put up a gate that closes when a train is coming. Build a pedestrian bridge etc... I understand, but I don't understand how a railroad track could block off such a beautiful place such as Lyle and take that away from the town and all of us that travel there for recreation. It seems to me it should be their problem to figure out how to make the access safe for us. But of course that would make sense.
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Very valid point Andy.
Problem is that gates, bridges, tunnels all cost money and have certain legal requirements for where and how they can be located.
First off, the cheapest of these options is somewhere around $500,000.
Second, the land/space on both the north and south sides of the track do not possess enough legal space for installing any of these options, as well as, we also have Washington State DOT to contend with in allowing a crossing light for pedestrian traffic, and that would be if they agreed to making our existing parking location a legal parking location.
Lastly, Kip is correct, in that River Keepers has stated their position against supporting any recreational access improvments at the mouth of the Klickitat.
And, the list goes on and on. Lyle, no matter how much the people love the spot and having kiteboarders around, does not have any jurisdiction on land west of the Klickitat. The land just east is also a bit touchy as well, since it is in the possession of the native americans.
For all of the above reasons, it had been agreed that our best option was to be quiet, fly under the radar, never park illegally, cross only when no one was around (both the road and tracks), and to always try to keep an open line of communication with other kiters to try to follow the rules, or risk ruining it for everyone else (this includes everyone, no matter how close or far you live to Lyle).
Pepi
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 12:13 pm |
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| Scribble wrote: |
I'm sorry but that just seems to me to be such a fucking red neck way of solving problems. "We can't figure this shit out so let's just put up a fence and close it off". That exact lack of progression is why I no longer live in Alabama. I mean come on, put up a gate that closes when a train is coming. Build a pedestrian bridge etc... I understand, but I don't understand how a railroad track could block off such a beautiful place such as Lyle and take that away from the town and all of us that travel there for recreation. It seems to me it should be their problem to figure out how to make the access safe for us. But of course that would make sense.
Andy |
its actually quite simple Andy. This is America, that land of the free, home of the brave, and the people that can't take responsibility for their own god damn actions. There was a time that if you fell on a patch of ice on the sidewalk, experienced complications during a difficult surgery, spilled hot coffee in your groin, or got run over by a train when you were playing on some train tracks; people would have said "well duh dip shit, watch what your doing, the world is full of risks". Now, thanks to the efforts of many attorneys and the douche bags that they represent, everyone organization lives in constant fear of being sued and risk aversion is the trump card in every decision debate.
So if you have own a RR and there are people STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACKS you put up a sign essentially stating.."hey asshole, don't cross the train tracks here". Now in many countries, people would actually use their brains and say "hey, the RR seems pretty pissed off, maybe we should you know, police ourselves and stop the problem so the RR doesn't get more pissed off...cause, it is their property". In America however, the proper response is "hey, that guy is parked here, I'm going to park here to--even though there is a parking area 50 feet away and a sign that says no parking--and my personal favorite "I live here, that sign doesn't apply to me". So, after the tenth time that a 50 ton train had to come to a stop to allow nikon laden tourists or PBR toting kiteboarders to actually stop standing on the RR tracks when there is a train coming (side bar-they might have known not to stand there but someone decided the solution to the problem was rip down the sign the RR put up..I'm sure that was well received at the RR) someone at the RR said..you know what, Fuck You turds and all your BS. They officially documented the problem, called the cops, ordered some fencing, and probably popped a cold one.
So at this point you can do a couple things:
A. punch a lawyer in the face
B. Think of how we could have handled thing differently
C. update your list of good launches shut down
D. buy a boat/ jet ski |
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 26, 09 12:19 pm |
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| Pepi wrote: |
For all of the above reasons, it had been agreed that our best option was to be quiet, fly under the radar, never park illegally, cross only when no one was around (both the road and tracks), and to always try to keep an open line of communication with other kiters to try to follow the rules, or risk ruining it for everyone else (this includes everyone, no matter how close or far you live to Lyle).
Pepi |
And for the life of me I cannot understand why people continue to aggravate this situation by partially blocking the BNSF access road. Specifically, there's a kiter that drives a light brown small electric mini car that parks in the same spot all the time, too close to access road. I strongly suspect it's a kiter because the same car is there every time it blows.
Not my business to pick any one person out. Just curious.
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pdxmonkeyboy
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| Tue May 26, 09 12:26 pm |
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| wylieflyote wrote: | | Pepi wrote: |
For all of the above reasons, it had been agreed that our best option was to be quiet, fly under the radar, never park illegally, cross only when no one was around (both the road and tracks), and to always try to keep an open line of communication with other kiters to try to follow the rules, or risk ruining it for everyone else (this includes everyone, no matter how close or far you live to Lyle).
Pepi |
And for the life of me I cannot understand why people continue to aggravate this situation by partially blocking the BNSF access road. Specifically, there's a kiter that drives a light brown small electric mini car that parks in the same spot all the time, too close to access road. I strongly suspect it's a kiter because the same car is there every time it blows.
Not my business to pick any one person out. Just curious. |
He's a local so those signs don't apply to him. He had been approached politely by several people about parking there and he was always...well...he had this....well....lets just say that he was a local and he thought the signs didn't apply to him. |
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