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tinyE
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 Thu Aug 21, 08 8:04 am OT: portland sewer overflow? |
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| does anyone know of a site where I can go check to see if the sewage is overflowing into the willamette from the recent rains?
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pkh
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Mark
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 8:07 am |
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As a general rule. Anytime it rains in downtown Ptown. Plus at least 2 days after. 
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pdxmonkeyboy
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 8:14 am |
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good find Phil! My understanding is that phase I and II of the project are complete and have resulted in a 25% reduction in CSO. Phase III won't be completed until 2011.
Ultimately the project is projected to reduce the original amount of CSO (720 million gallons) a year to 87 million gallons/year.
So if its raining, pee in the yard.
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trevorsmith
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 8:40 am |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Ultimately the project is projected to reduce the original amount of CSO (720 million gallons) a year to 87 million gallons/year.
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WTF! How about NO CSO a year?
I still think there is a guy with a big switch and when he sees rain, pulls the switch and says "look how much money I just saved the City so we don't have to treat waste"
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Mark
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 8:41 am |
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| trevorsmith wrote: | | pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Ultimately the project is projected to reduce the original amount of CSO (720 million gallons) a year to 87 million gallons/year.
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WTF! How about NO CSO a year? |
Does seem strange that Portland is proud of being a "green" city and yet we pollute the river on such a level....
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blowhard
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 8:46 am |
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Does seem strange that Portland is proud of being a "green" city and yet we pollute the river on such a level....[/quote]
Clever marketing ? 
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pkh
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 9:13 am |
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| trevorsmith wrote: | | pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Ultimately the project is projected to reduce the original amount of CSO (720 million gallons) a year to 87 million gallons/year.
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WTF! How about NO CSO a year?
I still think there is a guy with a big switch and when he sees rain, pulls the switch and says "look how much money I just saved the City so we don't have to treat waste" |
There is no switch, this explains it:
http://www.portlandonline.com/bes/index.cfm?c=31030
Basically only as much water as can go to the storm water plant and be stored before processing goes there, any that won't fit goes in the river.
That's why they are building a huge pipe and storage tank. They are also upping the capacity to process storm water, but the main problem is what to do with all the dirty water in the meantime.
I agree it’s a shitty system (ha), but its very old, and the big pipe should fix 95% of it. The rest could be solved with better storm water management in the first place. Did you know you could lower your water bill by disconnecting your downspouts? http://www.cleanriverrewards.com
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tinyE
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 9:53 am |
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so it said the overflow happened on monday, and to wait 48 hours...does that mean we're all clean today? 
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trevorsmith
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 10:00 am |
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| tinyE wrote: | | so it said the overflow happened on monday, and to wait 48 hours...does that mean we're all clean today? |
No..its still raining
| pkh wrote: | | and the big pipe should fix 95% of it. |
how about fix 100% of the problem and over plan capacity for the future. Just a thought
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pdxmonkeyboy
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 10:57 am |
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| trevorsmith wrote: | | how about fix 100% of the problem and over plan capacity for the future. Just a thought |
Yeah, on some level it would be nice to achieve 0 CSO but try to engineer,plan, and implement the construction of a 22 foot diameter pipe up to 160' deep underneath all the existing utilities, infrastructure, roads and buildings. Fairly mind boggling.
It comes down to cost benefits really. They are fixing the vast vast majority of it and that money has to come from somewhere. It is an AMAZING project as it stands though. I saw one of the construction shafts in NW portland about 5 years ago, about a 15 x 15 hole in the ground. I asked the guy "hey, can I come over and look down that hole". he looked around (it was about 10 at night) and said "shure, don't fall in". The hole was more than 100' deep!! It was craziness.
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FlyDunes
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 11:55 am |
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How far down river does an overflow event affect? What's the timing of an event until Sauvies is affected and how long after is it safe again?
Anyone know?
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pkh
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 12:28 pm |
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The last 5% is always the toughest in anything.
I'd gather that last 5% is probably the days when we get huge downpours over a long period of time.
If it only happens 5% of the time but requires twice the infrastructure to deal with, then $$$ plays a factor. Oh wait this is the big pipe project, I mean $,$$$,$$$,$$$ 
But yeah, this ain't Duabi. You only want to see your water bill go up $20 not $40 right? 
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genek
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 12:34 pm |
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I dunno, this Duabi place Phil talks about sounds pretty nice. Is that where the unicorns live?
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Bokeh
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 6:22 pm |
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| OK, if it is safe to kite at Sauvie on 'last rainy day' + 48 hours, what's the safe time to go to Jones? a day past that? two days? or is all the crap so diluted by then it doesn't really matter?
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FlyDunes
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| Thu Aug 21, 08 9:07 pm |
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I emailed a question into the "Combined Sewer Overflow (CSO) Advisory" and asked them about the impact of Portland sewer overflows as far as St. Helens. I recd this reply:
"It's pretty well diluted by the time it reaches St. Helens. There is little to no impact that far downstream.
Linc Mann
Public Information Officer
Environmental Services
1120 SW 5th Avenue, Room 1000
Portland OR 97204
phone: 503-823-5328
fax: 503-823-6995
lincm@bes.ci.portland.or.us"
I should have been more specific and asked about Sauvie Island in particular.... so I've sent a new question to them:
How about mid-way up Sauvie Island on the Columbia river side? Specifically by mile post 11, at the north end of Walton Beach (see attached map). A bunch of us kiteboarders are interested for obvious reasons.
I'll let everyone know what their response is.
I have seen water quality warning signs posted at Frenchmans Bar before, but I've never seen any signs posted on Sauvie Island by Walton beach or further north. I'm not sure if that's because Frenchmans is on the Washington side. Washington may have different posting requirements than Oregon does.
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pkh
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| Fri Aug 22, 08 6:19 am |
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The solution to pollution is dilution! 
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