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BigR

Since 05 Jul 2005
372 Posts
White Salmon
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Sat Jul 05, 08 2:30 pm |
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| I found some unexploded ordinance today at the sandbar.... |
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Dickfircrick
Since 29 May 2007
62 Posts
Hood Rever
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Sat Jul 05, 08 3:28 pm |
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| So.......? Hold on to it and toss it onto your next Tire fire! |
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laura
Since 22 May 2007
111 Posts
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Sat Jul 05, 08 6:45 pm |
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| funny after the picture you choose, you would even throw stones at people for acting like children, pdx, is probable why it is not important to you to keep our access open here, what this boils down to is safety, fairness, and caring about our access in this community WE live in. |
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bfar
Since 03 Oct 2006
25 Posts
HR
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Sun Jul 06, 08 9:50 am |
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Forrest; the data comes from DBA members ( and our family business that sees a huge increase in sales every year that the Thomas show comes; as well as our retail and restaurant neighbors). The day after the train leaves all our businesses slow significantly.
When the sand bar is huge and there are a ton of kites out over a nice weekend our customer traffic flow does not increase as you would think it would. Same info comes from restaurant owners.
Oh and to whoever that was regarding #'s of kites vs. sails; on the 5th I spent 2 hours at the waterfront park with my kids and at the late afternoon peak I counted from Wells Island to the bridge 75 kites on the water and 92 windsurfers (not including kites on the bar or sails on the grass, resting sails visibly outnumbered resting kites).
Monkey boy you're right on. |
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Kodiak

Since 01 Aug 2005
1114 Posts
Slidey
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Sun Jul 06, 08 10:39 am |
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Bfar,
Contrary to what you think , your "feelings" are not data. Data would be actual amounts of money brought in by kiteboarders vs. the amount of money brought in by people coming to see Thomas on a yearly basis. Now I would imagine that for any event you are going to see a surge of sales and then a slowdown of sales from when people leave. So saying that when Thomas comes to town you see business pick up is pretty obvious, but making the leap to the fact that your pickup in business from when Thomas comes to town vs. what you sell to kiters for the year is a pretty freaking huge leap. It would also make a big difference what type of business you have I would guess. Maybe you sell children's books, all of this is pretty irrelevant taken out of context.
As far as the number of kiters vs. windsurfers on the water. On really windy sunny days, it does feel about even. For most of the other days, it certainly feels like there are more kiters than windsurfers out there. Of course as I mentioned, my feelings are not actual data eitehr. But if we were to base the numbers on your count of kiters vs. windssurfers, and call it about a 50/50 mix. Wouldn't you find it odd that windsurfers have two very nice launches they can use on the 4th and kiters have 0?
Finally, counting the number of sails sitting on the beach vs. kites sitting on the beach doesn't help. As a windsurfer I would typically rig up 3 sails on any given day and switch quite often based upon the conditions. |
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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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Sun Jul 06, 08 10:42 am |
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| I don't know of anyone buying houses in the area because of Thomas the Train |
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Matt E.
Since 22 May 2008
318 Posts
West Coast Sales Rep
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Sun Jul 06, 08 4:31 pm |
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| Thanks for the Comment Phill i was just thinking the same thing. |
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BigR

Since 05 Jul 2005
372 Posts
White Salmon
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Sun Jul 06, 08 6:00 pm |
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| Quote: | | I don't know of anyone buying houses in the area because of Thomas the Train |
Actually it's not that bad, We're a few streets up from thomas T and he's not as bad as the middle night trains running thru'.... of course you are out kiting when thomas is hooting but trying to sleep when CSX runs by.
you get used to it |
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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
Honored Founder
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Sun Jul 06, 08 7:35 pm |
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BigR - I meant that kiters are buying houses in the area, not Thomas the Train fans. Between my taxes, utility fees, bridge toll payments, kite shops, food, drink, etc... $$$$$. Lots of people can say the same.
Its retarded to think that kiting doesn't contribute tons of cash into the area. Thomas the Train I am sure is huge, but its one weekend a year.
PDXMB - The main point is we lost 2.5 days of spit access on a pretty huge 3-day weekend. We even got kicked off when we used our jetskis to access the small sandbar on July 4th because we were violating some 600 foot buffer that was a "federal law." Seriously the fireworks folks called the cops on us without even talking to us. Lame.
Its cool Sherry has already offered to open the discussion on the issue, so that's great. Progress is already being made.
Anyway stoked on the weekend, it was fun!  |
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JW
Since 28 Jan 2006
227 Posts
portland
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Sun Jul 06, 08 7:49 pm |
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| ALL I CAN SAY IS THE COAST . whine and bitch thats what kiters are getting known for great sport to be apart of |
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Kodiak

Since 01 Aug 2005
1114 Posts
Slidey
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Sun Jul 06, 08 8:09 pm |
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| I think there is a difference between whining and bitching and just fighting for some equality. I am sure the same thing was said about windsurfers fighting for access back in the day as well. |
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Chooch

Since 18 Nov 2007
1871 Posts
Wicked Pissah
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Sun Jul 06, 08 8:30 pm |
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| JW wrote: | | ALL I CAN SAY IS THE COAST . whine and bitch thats what kiters are getting known for great sport to be apart of |
So Bitching and Whining is what snowboarders were doing 20 years ago when they were banned from the ski resorts and forced to poach all their sessions ....look at the numbers between those two industries now. I see very similar trends for kiting in the future |
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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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Sun Jul 06, 08 8:35 pm |
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| JW wrote: | | ALL I CAN SAY IS THE COAST . whine and bitch thats what kiters are getting known for great sport to be apart of |
Maybe we need a Bitch & Moan section like the surfers... They seem to be good at complaining.
http://www.oregonsurf.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=6 |
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JW
Since 28 Jan 2006
227 Posts
portland
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Mon Jul 07, 08 4:16 am |
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maybe we need a bitch and moan section , I though nwkite was that ? 90% of the topics are bitching and moaning on this site . look at the people that are bitching . they are the ones that post the most . they must think buy bitching it makes you a better kiter this so lame . |
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forrest

Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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Mon Jul 07, 08 7:42 am |
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It's not like any of this is being handed to you. You come and visit this site, it doesn't come and visit you. If you don't like it, don't read it.
WERD on the statements above about surfers, snowboarders, and windsurfers.
| JW wrote: | maybe we need a bitch and moan section , I though nwkite was that ? 90% of the topics are bitching and moaning on this site . look at the people that are bitching . they are the ones that post the most . they must think buy bitching it makes you a better kiter this so lame . |
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forrest

Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
Hick
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Mon Jul 07, 08 7:46 am |
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Dude, the irony is the Port's mission statement:
| Quote: | | The Mission of the Port of Hood River is to initiate, promote and maintain quality of life and a healthy economy throughout the Port District and the Columbia River Gorge. |
So, with all the information we have now about the tourists having to leave. Tell me how their actions supported this mission statement.
The Port is out of touch and it's our responsibility to bring them into this decade.
BTW, they don't own the spit. They manage it. It's public land.
| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Last time I checked, the Port owns the spit and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. Yeah, the port has an interest in the well being of the city and enjoyment of the public resource that their properties afront. On the other hand, Ports are not recreational entities, they are businesses. And I can assure you that the money brought in from the little ticket both is not even a drop in the bucket compared to their commercial and light industrial leases.
So I think the message is (in my non-pc monkeyboy kind of way) using the spit is a privilege, not some kind of right so quite your fucking bitching. I can just see the port now "ooohhh, the kite boarders are upset about not having access for one day of the year, lets cancel the fireworks show that the whole city enjoys" No wait, lets spend thousands of dollars on a barge and the necessary permits so as the all important kite boarders won't have to go kite somewhere else for one day.
Come on people, quit your bellyaching and start acting like adults. The sooner you realize the world doesn't revolve around the desires of kiteboarders, the sooner you will be able to more effectively work on access issues. |
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Nak

Since 19 May 2005
4313 Posts
Camas
Site Lackey
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Mon Jul 07, 08 7:58 am |
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| JW wrote: | | 90% of the topics are bitching and moaning on this site . |
First page of this forum has 60 threads, 4 might be considered bitching. (Although at it could be argued that 2 of those 4 simply point out a situation to watch out for...) That's 6.7%.
Kiteboarding is a growing sport, there is no denying or stopping that. As the sport grows, we become a competitor for recreation resources with other user groups. Those user groups have and will attempt to limit our access to a limited resource to protect their own access. If we don't work to protect our access, we will lose it. Lose it one place, you set a precedent for the next spot. Politicians and bureaucrats look to see what has worked elsewhere. If banning kiting works at one spot, that could easily be seen as a workable solution at other spots. |
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