gas saver ?? reduce kite commute costs

pdxmonkeyboy · Tue Jun 03, 08 9:50 am

Big R, there is indeed a conversion and loss of energy from the conversion but its not as if you A. need massive amounts of HHO gas to produce a tangible effect combustion wise or B. Your putting a huge strain on your engine to produce the extra amps.

I think it depends on many more things that both you and I have not taken into account. I think there is some definite possibilities here. I thing it says something when every new idea is dismissed as a pipe dream.

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

Big R are you working for exxon? Laughing

so wheres the electric cars energy coming from a coal fired power plant , nuc or around here thankfully hydro the fish strainers. Laughing

all energy is converted -transported -wasted in some means , the idea is to conserve .

25% waste aye .

each time? hmm

now the wasted water of hydrogen will make the bottled water industry have to double the costs, that may be the final blow to the economy.....better buy only oil from alqueda supporters thats the safest greenest for sure.... Twisted Evil

pdxmonkeyboy · Tue Jun 03, 08 10:10 am

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pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

PMB - the whole concept is definitely not a new one. In different forms this concept has been around forever...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

Read about Stanley Meyer and his HHO based perpetual motion machine. Fun stuff. Eventually disproven in court.

Of course he is dead now. Shocked

I think the only new technology here is that people are using the Internet to talk about it.

mschulz · Since 29 May 2007 530 Posts Reno, NV Addicted

Remember, they did not say they would eliminate all gasoline, they say you increase efficiency by up to 40% depending on they tuning of this thing.

From what I see, this generator is a 30 day build at minimum and then 30 day tuning it to your specific vehicle, driving conditions, etc. Also, they recommend some retro’s to your existing engine like stainless steel valves, etc.

Before you bag and idea, you should at least read about it.

cosmodog · Since 06 Oct 2005 205 Posts Stoked

The amount of energy used to turn an alternator is dependant on electrical load.
So there is no free ride and I am pretty sure this gadget will not work.

Here's some info on alternators:

http://web.media.mit.edu/~nathan/nepal/ghatta/alternator.html

Kataku2k3 · Since 14 Aug 2005 3754 Posts PDX-LA Videographer

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Very Happy

I wouldn't mess with it. Just convert your car to methanol and boost the shit out of it! Race gas is getting too expensive.

BigR · Since 05 Jul 2005 372 Posts White Salmon Obsessed

alright kiddies, help me out. my degree is in chemistry but its been a looong time.

to produce 1 mole of water from H2 + 1/2 O2 you need 1 mole of electrons or 96,000 coulombs which is 96,000 amps / 1 second OR 26.7 amps / 1 hour

aww F%$K^T!

I'll just give ya this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#Efficiency

Kataku2k3 · Since 14 Aug 2005 3754 Posts PDX-LA Videographer

I agree with ya BigR!

Now for my off topic shit... Confused

Take a GSR swapped Civic that would already be pretty quick on the street and get 35mpg. Then drop $40k into the motor, computer, fuel system, and tranny. You get a completely streetable, 1.9L, 800hp, 9 second capable car, that only runs on C16 which costs $15/gallon.

Here's my buddy's Civic we just finished building and are currently working on dialing in on low boost (probably ~450hp - I've just been street tuning, so we don't know any actual numbers).

Video from last time at the track. Was just a Thursday, test & tune so they don't prep for shit. On 20lbs of boost he was still spinning 3rd.
http://oregonstate.edu/~len/Adam/Misc/Videos/TravisMay22.wmv

Mike Hawk · Tue Jun 03, 08 10:40 am

mschulz · Since 29 May 2007 530 Posts Reno, NV Addicted

I am laughing my ass off right now with all the energy we all have put into this. We could have powered a car to HR by now.

I read the entire book that they are selling. It is PDF so it was delivered via e-mail. I will sum it up. " It is like going to sauvies all summer long for 4 to 5 lousy sessions, when you could have driven to HR and had great sessions every time".

Don't waste your $49 and 1 hour of your time like I did.

magicmaker · Since 29 Oct 2006 895 Posts da Hood Opinionated

saw on cnn.com today, hypermiling can almost double your mpg (in some cars).

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2008/06/03/obrien.hypermiling.cnn (it's a videocast from cnn).

pdxmonkeyboy · Tue Jun 03, 08 11:05 am

Adam, pretty impressive car. 9 seconds..is that the time it would take to loose your license if you stomped on the gas while on public streets??

Kataku2k3 · Since 14 Aug 2005 3754 Posts PDX-LA Videographer

Adam, hadn't seen that. I personally think the guy is retarded, but whatever. Sent it to my buddies, and one of them wanted to see the guy rear-end someone when the brake booster wasn't working (because he had the motor shut down).

Brian, luckily Travis lives out in the country around Woodburn, so we don't have to worry about too many cops. We're working on getting another one of my friend's CRXs fired up for the first time with his new setup, but on his last setup (that I didn't help him build), he decided not to hook up his speedo. Anyway, to make a long story short, he was driving around Vancouver, decided to boost first and a hair of second, then went past a cop. Cop pulled him over and asked how fast he was going... Will said he didn't know... but apparently he was doing 75 in a 35. Shocked

He was cool, just gave him a ticket, and all was well. For the most part, it's stupid to drive these cars on the street, so we only do so for tuning.

$ociopath · Since 28 Nov 2007 523 Posts Twilight Zone Addicted

I have heard that hemp seed oil costs about 7 cents a gallon if it was legal to grow. I would drive around in a multicolored microbus as long as it had 44"mickey thomsons and maybe one of those v-tech's adam is turning out.

Gman · Since 11 Feb 2006 4911 Posts Portland Unstrapped

Nice ride Adam! That looks like fun.

I think the future of altenate fuels is gasoline created from slime:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9954638-54.html