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stringer
Since 31 Jul 2007
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Tue Apr 08, 08 10:20 am Re: self rescue |
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Kataku2k3 wrote: | funktron wrote: | What happens when there is no wind? Be a strong swimmer, or wear a life jacket. |
We did that last year at Stevenson. There were about 5-10 of us out on the water when the wind shifted to NW and everyone's kite went down. Luckily most everyone was pretty close to shore as they had been trying to work there way in. Took Tucker and me ~30 minutes to swim in with our kites because of the current. |
Haha, I think this might be of that situation.
Warm temperatures meant less danger.
I count six kites down and two almost down.
Thanks to tow truck tuk for going back out to help people
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Kataku2k3
Since 14 Aug 2005
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Los Angeles, CA
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Tue Apr 08, 08 10:25 am |
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haha, yeah. Tucker's a HERO!
P.S. - Why am I just standing down there?
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Reaper356
Since 10 Dec 2006
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Salem / LC Oregon
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Tue Apr 08, 08 11:02 am |
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Thinking about it, if you're going to rescue with or without wrapping, stay on the up-current side of lines, then they'd drift down river & out of the way.
In the bay I wrapped the safety several times but then had slack from the other lines floating everywhere around me, which my board, then I got tangled in. Maybe swimming sideways while winding would have helped, but I'm going w/ the one line next time.
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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WINDY SPOTS
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Tue Apr 08, 08 12:00 pm vortex of despair |
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pdxmonkeyboy wrote "Also: Someone may want to explain "the vortex of despair" that exists where the hood river empties into the columbia. I've seen people going around and around and around over there.
_________________ I got caught in the 'vortex of despair'{what an apt description}in Feb. Light wind kept going downwind,[BIG sandbar] passed right by the Northeast tip thinking ;with my bum foot, I dont want to walk, so I'll keep going into the boat ramp or Rhondas so I can hitch back.
My kite falls, and I'm thirty yards east of the bar and 60 yards from shore. I do the one line to the kite thing, and climb up on the kite to assess, and because its freekin cold. Deciding the sandbar is closest, I start swimming , sidesttroke pulling my gear, kite facedown. after about 10 or 15 minutes I climb back up on the kite, and I'm farther from the bar AND the shore.
To make a long story longer, I wrapped up my lines{requiring removal of gloves} got into self rescue w/the kite, at which time a boat turned around from entering the marina and saved my ass.
I feel I wouldve made it in myself eventually, there was still some wind, but where to swim? Weird swirly current that would be tough even without trying to haul gear.
Newbies and Kooks {the latter of which I find myself all too frequently]
BEWARE THE VORTEX OF DESPAIR!!!
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kitezilla
Since 22 Jun 2006
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Tue Apr 08, 08 1:12 pm |
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pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | I've self rescued two or three times and I always wrapped one line about 10 times then wrapped all the other lines as I floated down stream, once I got to the kite I could tuck the bar under the leading edge and not worry about it.
Unless you really need to get out of the water right away, I don't see the disadvantage of wrapping your lines. I would think that not wrapping them and trying to swim toward the kite (or pulling yourself up one line) would be more dangerous as the potential exists to A. cut the shit out of your hands when walking up the line B. getting wrapped up in the kite lines if you something happens and the kite starts flipping around or tries to relaunch.
In addition, I think the tangled mess of lines that happens when you don't wind is worse then the rescue itself. |
You made my day coining the term "Vortex of Despair" How funny! It's funny because it's true.
Also:
Take the time to read the 2 threads, that I posted above. You won't regret it. I used to feel the same was as you expressed, above. The discussion was an eye-opener for me. There is a very neat way to wind up your lines tangle-free for both methods. I ended up feeling that both methods should be learned for self-rescuing in the Gorge, depending on location.
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Mike Hawk
Since 20 Mar 2006
179 Posts
say that 3 times fast DONT FEED THE TROLL!
Stoked
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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kyle.vh
Since 11 Jul 2007
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Tue Apr 08, 08 5:41 pm |
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pdxmonkeyboy wrote: |
In addition, I think the tangled mess of lines that happens when you don't wind is worse then the rescue itself. |
That's been my experience. I was trying to body drag in the the "vortex of despair" to get my board last summer and thinking: wtf is going on right now?
Then I just dragged in, and a nice lady returned it, thankfully.
I think a universal distress signal is a great idea. That is, besides floating face down...
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Spike
Since 13 May 2007
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Alameda
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Tue Apr 08, 08 5:44 pm Re: self rescue |
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stringer wrote: | tow truck tuk | HAHA
btw, heres a good way to keep your lines from unraveling after having them wrapped onto your bar:
After wrapping pull the chicken loop over the bar and stick the donkey penis between the lines and bar. theres no way they could ever unwrap anymore. I keep my lines wrapped like this all the time for the same reason. Just make sure you wrap one line a few times first so you have the kite de-powered.
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
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Tue Apr 08, 08 6:06 pm |
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Nice tip Spike - unless you cut off your Donkey wang.
Adam why are giving the swimmers the finger in that pic - you should be more like Tuk Tuk.
_________________ Go Deep!
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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Wed Apr 09, 08 9:26 am |
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mschulz wrote: |
Nak- Do you have pictures of your loop in your board you could post? |
Sorry it's been so long to reply. I'm out of town with just a quick PDX layover. I'll get the pic posted this weekend.
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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Windward
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Wed Apr 09, 08 2:49 pm |
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the universal signal for help is both hands waving over-head
that way maybe a boat will stop for you.
My self rescue is to come in before wind dies
or ditch my shit and swim
and never go farther out than I can swim.
I never fuck around with kites and lines ,once broken
ditch em
Finding out your pal is tied up in his lines and sinking
while he is waving only one arm
is a bit distressing.
so know your nautical hand signals
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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Wed Apr 09, 08 5:59 pm |
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KNow where you are and what you exit options are.
If you a newbie, or not solid, where is your downwind area where you will end up when you get in.
the current and the winds will help influence your travels. When swimming its better to go with the flow rather than fight it up stream.
Relaunching your kite is the most important self resque action.
after exhausting above option then consider how your going to get to your kite.
this is also the time to consider your board , where the hell is it ..
if you wind up the lines make sure the kite can sheet out , it will relaunch if you really don't want it to, and its tempting to wind it up L.e. down quick.
take your time and manage the lines , it is really easy to wind them up and bind up the flippers in the mess. Its easier to get tangled than not, for sure.
if you feel desperate and can't manage your lines then you may consider leaving you rig before you drown yourself unless you can't swim in without it.
I unhook my leash when winding lines so I can let the rig go if I need to.
It is pretty damn easy to swim to shore usually/ easier than swimming bound in lines or pulling a downed kite.
now wheres your board.
we flip buddies kites for them if they can't gettem over... not recommended but very useful.
I have only had to self resque a few times...
twice I have considered the fact that I may drown if I didn't pull my act together while kiteboarding.... not times I will forget .
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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Wed Apr 09, 08 6:03 pm |
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Also when winding up the bar secure it with a half hitch on each end of the bar . two on each end even better.
keep your donkeys member out of my lines..
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scartch
Since 10 Feb 2008
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Wed Apr 09, 08 8:44 pm |
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i would stongly recomend not wrapping your lines. I had an instructor last year at KHK say he had to rescue two people trying to self rescue. they had wrapped their lines part way when their kite relaunched and started spinning. ended up basically tyind their hands together and dragging them. pull yourself to your kite on one line and let it fall in the water. when you get to the kite it will be laying down wind with you holding it by the upwind tip. you can then flip it on its back (think landing your buddies kite.) climb onto it and use it like a sail. you can even put your board next to you of under you. worry about your lines later. if you are self rescuing you probably have more things to worry about than you lines. with that being said, there are circumstances where you may need to wrap your lines, one such reason, before reaching shallow water/rocks. wraping your lines can all be done while siling on top of you kite.
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Reaper356
Since 10 Dec 2006
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Salem / LC Oregon
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Wed Apr 09, 08 10:31 pm |
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When actually reach your kite, what's the best way to get a hold of the tips - It was REALLY hard when I tried it w/ my 13 meter pumped hard. PDXMB mentioned letting some air out to help. Any other tips?
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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