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eric

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PostWed Apr 15, 20 11:57 am     Reply with quote

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PostWed Apr 15, 20 12:10 pm     Reply with quote

New ground rules are going to be pretty tricky right now. The numbers and info are constantly changing. 3 ft or 6 ft or ?, are there 2 different viruses on the east coast & west coast, infection rate, death rate, etc. Hopefully, in a couple of weeks before things start to open there will be better more stable info to make some ground rules that will be effective. I guess we wait and see.
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PostWed Apr 15, 20 12:23 pm     Reply with quote

ay wrote:
Totally agree that while kiting, mountain biking, hiking/skinning the backcountry all can safely be done away from people, people are not doing it safely when everyone from everywhere does it too. (In addition of putting additional pressure on medical providers)

It isn't about keeping yourself safe, it is about keeping other safe. That is why everything is and should be shut down at least until the end of April, even if it is painful to look out the window at the river on this sunny/windy day.

I don't disagree with the idea that it's about keeping other people safe. On the other hand, on the busiest days I've ever seen kiting at the Oregon Coast, it would have been trivially easy to maintain 10's (if not 100's) of yards separation from other people. Same thing goes for Jones Beach.

I can't even guarantee that if I simply walk out onto my front porch at home. Or go into my back yard. And yet everyone is doing that.

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PostWed Apr 15, 20 12:29 pm    For the cavalier herd... Reply with quote

Check the credentials, education & actions of your space sharing, neighborhood lowest common denominator.

Here:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-did-the-world-shut-down-for-covid-19-but-not-ebola-sars-or-swine-flu/?ex_cid=538twitter

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PostWed Apr 15, 20 12:42 pm     Reply with quote

Which means the new ground rules have to be set for the lowest common denominator? That seems a terrible precedent.
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PostWed Apr 15, 20 2:58 pm    LCD Reply with quote

knotwindy wrote:
Which means the new ground rules have to be set for the lowest common denominator? That seems a terrible precedent.


Now now, this is the single most important impetus for ALL of society's rules & regulations. Why do you think there's a warning that the liquid inside may be hot on your Starbucks drink? For the lowest common denominator... and for the lawyers. Sad but true.

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PostWed Apr 15, 20 4:04 pm     Reply with quote

And why it says not to use this hairdryer in the shower. And partially why committees/bureaucrats come up with insane responses. Have to get the LCD to agree. I get that but does that mean we as local river users have to be just as insane because others are? Can’t we do even just a bit better than irrational?
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PostMon Apr 20, 20 10:07 am     Reply with quote

ay wrote:
MikeZ wrote:
shred_da_gorge wrote:
Localism is for douchebags. Hood River shouldn't become the next Santa Cruz.

Maybe not Santa Cruz yet, but the Hood already contains elements of localism.


This is entirely about localism. STAY HOME

What if I move back to my Hood River home and self-quarantine there. Am I a local then? If I have to pay $1K to kite do I get that refunded on the property taxes I've paid for decades to support schools that I never put kids through (since we don't have any)?

The shop owners in town can tell you where I spend the money that I make elsewhere, and we already know many of you cheapskates hunkered down in HR are getting the bro deals and not helping their margins enough to keep them in business year-round to begin with... ;-)

But Eric nailed it, localism is not the same as self-quarantining. (And MikeZ nailed it, there is already a bit of localist douchebaggery there now).

And also we agree, I'll continue to use my bike trainer in my garage instead of trying out that new neoprene I expected to hit the water earlier in the season in. Sigh...

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 10:48 am    localism Reply with quote

Sorry could not resist
You have to live and WORK here full time to be a local.
Most of us don't have a week end house in the gorge.
We bust our asses to have just one.
Stay in portland

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 11:09 am     Reply with quote

What if I only live & work there for 6 months a year? Or do I need 7+ to be full time & a local?
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PostMon Apr 20, 20 11:35 am     Reply with quote

Maybe all of us, without meaning to, are painting others into a box? My point being that the point here is to eliminate the transmission of a virus to the extent that we can, for as long as we can. Yes, we are going to have to open things up at some point--no question. When? How?

Many other very valid, and important considerations are being brought up--very valid. In my view they transcend political parties, where one owns or does not own property, if they are considered wealthy, or just getting by, and about not to be...

Folks, we are getting hammered on every front. Let's not make it worse by getting into it with one another.

Personal anecdote: My mother in law is about to celebrate her 87th birthday. She and her husband--85--are fit, and live in a retirement community in PDX. My wife so badly wants to have a party for her. "We could bring stuff in and have it on the lawn feet apart." Yeah, we could, but there are 700 residents there, meaning that on any given day there are two birthdays, so now are we opening the door to two parties per day on the lawn? This seems very likely to have a bad outcome before too many parties take place. So, we reluctantly will have a Facetime party.

The Columbia is not a lawn, and most of us are not 87, but I think the analogy is clear. The more travel from point A to B, the higher the risk for everyone.

So, perhaps if all of us can conduct our daily lives with that in mind, regardless of how and when the economy starts opening up. If we need/want to travel from A to B, can we do so in such a way that minimizes transmission of a particle that we cannot see, feel, or know if we even carry in many cases.

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 11:49 am    Rooster for ONE Reply with quote

Haha,

Enough of the serious posts...

By these 'LOCALS ONLY' rules guess I'll have the whole beach at RR to myself. As much as I'd enjoy the access, seems like there is enough room to share with a few others...


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PostMon Apr 20, 20 12:13 pm     Reply with quote

You know the Viet Schlong aint' social distancing!

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 1:01 pm     Reply with quote

eric wrote:
Maybe all of us, without meaning to, are painting others into a box? My point being that the point here is to eliminate the transmission of a virus to the extent that we can, for as long as we can. Yes, we are going to have to open things up at some point--no question. When? How?

Many other very valid, and important considerations are being brought up--very valid. In my view they transcend political parties, where one owns or does not own property, if they are considered wealthy, or just getting by, and about not to be...

Folks, we are getting hammered on every front. Let's not make it worse by getting into it with one another.

Personal anecdote: My mother in law is about to celebrate her 87th birthday. She and her husband--85--are fit, and live in a retirement community in PDX. My wife so badly wants to have a party for her. "We could bring stuff in and have it on the lawn feet apart." Yeah, we could, but there are 700 residents there, meaning that on any given day there are two birthdays, so now are we opening the door to two parties per day on the lawn? This seems very likely to have a bad outcome before too many parties take place. So, we reluctantly will have a Facetime party.

The Columbia is not a lawn, and most of us are not 87, but I think the analogy is clear. The more travel from point A to B, the higher the risk for everyone.

So, perhaps if all of us can conduct our daily lives with that in mind, regardless of how and when the economy starts opening up. If we need/want to travel from A to B, can we do so in such a way that minimizes transmission of a particle that we cannot see, feel, or know if we even carry in many cases.

Thanks,
Eric


100% agree. Governor stay at home order & Port of HR still closed (good decision!)

I clarified my pun last week because the sarcasm clearly didn't translate. You are welcome to go to your other home, seeing plenty of that happen in town. Still can't kite.

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 1:12 pm    Re: Rooster for ONE Reply with quote

McLovin wrote:
Haha,

Enough of the serious posts...

By these 'LOCALS ONLY' rules guess I'll have the whole beach at RR to myself. As much as I'd enjoy the access, seems like there is enough room to share with a few others...


hmmm website says Rooster Rock is still closed. Were there any signs posted?


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PostMon Apr 20, 20 2:10 pm     Reply with quote

There are major obstacles to the Event Site reopening.

They fully expect to be slammed with crowds if they reopen.
Not sure of the legal issue involved with limiting people via some sort of odd/even days.
They'd have to hire extra help to police that sort of policy and these people would be exposed.
Lucas's idea of odd/even license plate number would be good, no exposure. An attendant looks at your plate and either you're good or you get a ticket.

Obviously it won't happen until the Oregon governor lifts the Stay at Home order.


Exposing the Port staff is concern #1.
Somebody has to collect garbage, do maintenance, clean the facilities.... especially the bathroom.
Anyone have boxes of PPE we can donate to the Port staff?

Another issue is communication.
People from everywhere will show up.
Yesterday, Sunday, I confronted a middle-aged kiter driving a custom Sprinter. He parked on the street adjacent to the ES and walked out to the end of the sandbar.
When I asked him if was from around here (NM plates) he said he lived in HR and did not know kiting was banned. "I didn't see any signs".
I asked him if knew about the Governor's order and the Port closure and maybe why he didn't see any other kiters on the water.
He insisted there were no signs saying NO KITING therefore he was good to go.
And besides people are golfing and windsurfing at Cheap beach.

I guess 2 wrongs make a right so he should be ok then.

How do you have a rational conversation with a person like that?
Could you imagine working for the Port and having to deal with self-righteous assholes who just want to Subvert the Emergency Paradigm?

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PostMon Apr 20, 20 3:30 pm     Reply with quote

Well, we could learn from others, here in Mexico the locals get together and simply block the road. In this case the entrance to the ES. You are welcome to leave the area but when you show up to enter, conversations take place that inform the person/people of the current temporary restrictions. It is all voluntary, the “blockade” is maned by volunteers and the compliance is voluntary. Seems to work very nicely, no one wants to fight with the volunteers as they have numbers and are polite and just want to talk. Just an idea to be considered.
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