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chanson
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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thats the best news i've had all day  |
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pkh
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 1:37 pm |
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Good news for kiting, bad news for computer sysadmins... unless your Trevor then "it's all going to be fine."  |
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magicmaker
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 1:40 pm |
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| pkh wrote: | | bad news for computer sysadmins... |
how is that bad news for us  |
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pkh
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 2:04 pm |
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I guess I should say it depends on what OS you support. Every MS operating system needs to be patched, older versions of Windows need to be manually fixed by editing the registry (use tzedit.) Exchange has its own patch. Exchange clients might need to patched seperately.
Our organization is lucky enough to be running a 10 year old version of Exchange which you have to pay retro active support for in order to get a patch, something like $290k last I heard.
I'm not an admin per say, but I did have to deal with the servers our group runs. Wasn't too big of a deal, just one morning of patching. The Exchange issue is a much bigger one though.
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst |
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magicmaker
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 2:39 pm |
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i realized that shortly after i made my post. I should know! because i'm a MCP, i work at a microsoft certified partner, and there are 4 exchange servers, that i am responsible for outside my job 
the patch is rumored to cost around $4000 for business customers (according to slashdot.org, i think), not sure about the super old versions of exchange. I couldn't imagine running anything but exchange server 2003.
Anyway, hopefully being a microsoft partner, we wont have to pay for the update. I actually see it in my list of windows updates now, guess i'll give it a shot, and hopefully it doesn't break my computer |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 2:48 pm |
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If you are on Exchange 2003 you don't need to pay... the 290k was for 5.5, but yeah some are reported at getting at the low low price of 4k.
Still know that just the patch isn't good enough, you need to update your user's calendars too using the Outlook Time Zone move tool or whatever its called. From what I can tell there are server side and client side versions of it...
Hopefully the guys running our exchange server have a plan, I am pretty disconnected from that group (luckily.) |
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 3:07 pm |
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look for TZEDIT.EXE... easy and fun to use...  |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 3:23 pm |
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| FlyinElvis wrote: | | look for TZEDIT.EXE... easy and fun to use... |
yeah works for old windows, but totally fix exchange. still need exchange patches + need to move user's calendars. |
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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
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| Mon Mar 05, 07 3:54 pm |
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| back to kitting after work! not work |
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 8:43 am |
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So is the new improved daylight savings a month early permanate??
You guys shouldn't have to work harder for it , its supposed to save energy  |
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 10:27 am |
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| pkh wrote: | | Good news for kiting, bad news for computer sysadmins... unless your Trevor then "it's all going to be fine." |
Thanks... 
If you can't figure out that you got up at 7AM, and show up to work and your computer tells you that it is 7AM again..your dumb
I guess IT needs to go to people's houses and set their clocks back for them too so they show up to work on time.
Then fix the blinky VCR clock issue they have had for the last 3 years when they had a power outage
It is all based on GTM anyways, so we go forward 1 hr , then in 3 weeks, their computer will auto go forward again..does it really matter? We just get used to things spoon feeding us..and have no logical thought process..
Gotta go someone called "their clicky thing on their desk needs replacing" |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 11:09 am |
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I guess it all depends, we use outlook's calendar all the time here. If all of your meetings get offset by an hour, then people get confused and start showing up at the wrong time... that's bad. 
Any meetings setup before you patch will need to be moved forward by running a separate patch specific to outlook.
I see the logic about GMT, but apparently outlook/exchange doesn't work that way. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 1:21 pm |
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I'm not an IT guy, so pardon my ignorance. There are some pretty large dollar figures being bandied about here; wouldn't a low-tech solution suffice? Turn off the daylight savings feature and just have someone change system time at the appointed hour? Some states don't observe daylight savings (AZ, HI), so the ability to disable that feature must be available?
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 1:29 pm |
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Nak-
there is an option to disable daylight savings time in windows. However, I'm pretty sure that the DST change occurs at midnight, and i'll be damned if i'm going to stay up late on that day and adjust 24 different servers clocks. i'd much rather just install the patch beforehand, and let it take care of itself. The patch that costs $$$$ is probably just a ploy by microsoft to get people to buy the newer versions of the software and upgrade their old systems, because M$ is not charging for the patch on any of the new OS's / server platforms.
I'm also pretty sure, that you dont need to disable the daylight savings time change in windows for areas where they do not observe DST as it is programmed in.
Lastly, linux rules because i'm pretty sure it has been patched for quite some time.
pkh- thanks for explaining the calendar thing, cause i dont use the outlook calendar what so ever, and had no idea how it was affected. |
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EdG
Since 19 Dec 2005
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| Tue Mar 06, 07 2:18 pm |
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| magicmaker wrote: | Nak-
there is an option to disable daylight savings time in windows. However, I'm pretty sure that the DST change occurs at midnight, and i'll be damned if i'm going to stay up late on that day and adjust 24 different servers clocks. |
It's worse, DST is at 2am and OLCC does not allow an extra hour at the bar  if it's 'fall back'. |
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pacifichigh
Since 11 May 2005
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The National Energy Policy Act of 2005 created the extended Daylight
Saving Time beginning this year. Congress moved the time change to three
weeks earlier, from the first Sunday in April to the second Sunday in
March, and the law extends Daylight Saving Time one additional week, from
the last Sunday in October until the first Sunday in November. |
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