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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
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| consumer wrote: | | Procktor wrote: | Slingshits are way overpriced. Bridled kites won't turn as fast or be as good unhooked. If you like to ride on oversized kites or in gusty wind get one otherwise stick with those fuels or find another 4 line c for a better price.
My boy Dan k (#1PNW WAVE RIDER)will tell you the same thing. For unhooked wave riding, which is how it should be done, a 4 line c, no bridle is the way. |
I disagree. I'm guessing you ride somewhere where the wind sets up to more unhook and park the kite as you ride down the line. But at some less than ideal spots like manzanita (pretty on-shore) many C-kites, like fuels,are actually pretty slow and will rip you off the wave face when bottom turning, especially unhooked. Some bridled kites do a better job than C-'s in pivoting in the window.
The main saving grace for C-kites unhooked in the waves is that they are way less likely to luff and backstall than most newer non-C's, BUT if you are on a big wave and the wind has more of an onshore component you can slack the lines hard and find yourself in a frustrating situation. |
Kiting waves in onshore wind sucks no matter what kite.
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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
87 Posts
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 1:17 pm |
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| florider wrote: | The conditions that frustrated me were double overhead long wrapping baja point waves(obviously not ventana). No one rides unhooked when its blowin 30 in those conditions. The fuel was luffing and stalling. THey work sick if you keep them moving in onshore conditions but not so great in the ones I described.
no offense to the unhooked crew, but ive seen a lot of them just wiggling down the line like is a river wave.
Thanks for the input. Im just going to borrow all your kites at the beach and make up my mind for myself. haha |
If you were using a fuel in waves you should have been unhooked. Thats why you are getting frustrated. Unhooking looks better, gives more mobility and lets you turn without getting thrown off by the kite.
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jeremy
Since 18 Aug 2006
276 Posts
Manzo & HR
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 6:55 pm |
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I've used Torch's / Fuels for years in the waves, fun kites but they have minimal depower. Too easy to get pulled off the wave when riding up the line. If you want to be able to really turn off the power, drift the kite, and focus on the wave without getting pulled around try an SLE kite designed for the waves. I've been REALLY happy with the Trigger (Blade) and Mayhem (Caution) this summer.
I just picked up a 6m Renegade (Epic's wave kite) for next year, but check this out, here's the 5, 6, and 9. 6m is cut way big, and the 9m is cut small, yielding the crazy results. Looks like each company has their own way of measuring sizes.
And check out my 7m Fuel, it's bigger than my 9m Mayhem. Go figure.
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| 7m fuel covers the 9m Mayhem !! |
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| 5m, 6m, and 9m. 6m cut way BIG. |
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Procktor
Since 11 Apr 2013
46 Posts
Hood River
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 9:48 pm Re: Will you kooks take off your umbliical cords and unhook |
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What is the advantage of flying two line kites with no harness?[/quote]
Since you are obviously inexperienced greenies, you never got to feel the "always full throttle" of a revved up two line kite from over a decade ago. And if you are wanting to ride unhooked, why have a bulky harness on with harness lines in your way when grabbing the bar with your herculian hands and forarms?
Like I said before you two are wimps![/quote]
Lmao wimpy is flying a big depower bridle kite and never unhooking using a jay bar etc... Might as well just go stand up paddle instead. A 2 line kite works fine for wave riding but turns to slow or the best wave riders like dan and I would use them.
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Procktor
Since 11 Apr 2013
46 Posts
Hood River
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 9:57 pm |
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| consumer wrote: | | Procktor wrote: | Slingshits are way overpriced. Bridled kites won't turn as fast or be as good unhooked. If you like to ride on oversized kites or in gusty wind get one otherwise stick with those fuels or find another 4 line c for a better price.
My boy Dan k (#1PNW WAVE RIDER)will tell you the same thing. For unhooked wave riding, which is how it should be done, a 4 line c, no bridle is the way. |
I disagree. I'm guessing you ride somewhere where the wind sets up to more unhook and park the kite as you ride down the line. But at some less than ideal spots like manzanita (pretty on-shore) many C-kites, like fuels,are actually pretty slow and will rip you off the wave face when bottom turning, especially unhooked. Some bridled kites do a better job than C-'s in pivoting in the window.
The main saving grace for C-kites unhooked in the waves is that they are way less likely to luff and backstall than most newer non-C's, BUT if you are on a big wave and the wind has more of an onshore component you can slack the lines hard and find yourself in a frustrating situation. |
Nope.
Small C kites are the best for waves and unhooking. Turn fastest and fly best unhooked. They can be ridden a few sizes smaller than most bridle kites to. The marketing bs from kite companies who want you to buy more kites might say otherwise but that's to get suckers to buy the latest gimmicky kite design.
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''If Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.''' |
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Procktor
Since 11 Apr 2013
46 Posts
Hood River
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 10:03 pm |
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| florider wrote: | The conditions that frustrated me were double overhead long wrapping baja point waves(obviously not ventana). No one rides unhooked when its blowin 30 in those conditions. The fuel was luffing and stalling. THey work sick if you keep them moving in onshore conditions but not so great in the ones I described.
no offense to the unhooked crew, but ive seen a lot of them just wiggling down the line like is a river wave.
Thanks for the input. Im just going to borrow all your kites at the beach and make up my mind for myself. haha |
No one rides unhooked in those conditions? Then they don't know wtf their doing.
Sounds like you need a jay bar, kite pants or board short for over your wetsuit and 12m bridle kite with huge depower.
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''If Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.''' |
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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
87 Posts
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| Sun Oct 20, 13 11:18 pm |
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| Procktor wrote: | | consumer wrote: | | Procktor wrote: | Slingshits are way overpriced. Bridled kites won't turn as fast or be as good unhooked. If you like to ride on oversized kites or in gusty wind get one otherwise stick with those fuels or find another 4 line c for a better price.
My boy Dan k (#1PNW WAVE RIDER)will tell you the same thing. For unhooked wave riding, which is how it should be done, a 4 line c, no bridle is the way. |
I disagree. I'm guessing you ride somewhere where the wind sets up to more unhook and park the kite as you ride down the line. But at some less than ideal spots like manzanita (pretty on-shore) many C-kites, like fuels,are actually pretty slow and will rip you off the wave face when bottom turning, especially unhooked. Some bridled kites do a better job than C-'s in pivoting in the window.
The main saving grace for C-kites unhooked in the waves is that they are way less likely to luff and backstall than most newer non-C's, BUT if you are on a big wave and the wind has more of an onshore component you can slack the lines hard and find yourself in a frustrating situation. |
Nope.
Small C kites are the best for waves and unhooking. Turn fastest and fly best unhooked. They can be ridden a few sizes smaller than most bridle kites to. The marketing bs from kite companies who want you to buy more kites might say otherwise but that's to get suckers to buy the latest gimmicky kite design. |
Agree. If you are unhooking a c kite is best.
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consumer
Since 28 Nov 2010
406 Posts
banned
Obsessed
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 6:05 am |
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| 5-7m anything will be sick in the surf. no real reason to be picky.
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Ryan
Since 14 Jul 2005
537 Posts
Oregon
Addicted
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 6:39 am |
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Give Caution a run. They are built to be quick turning.
Jeremy, my understanding is that Caution sizes their kites based on actual measurements (a 6m kite has 6 meters of area) and SS sizes by feel to fit into the adjacent kites in the line up. I could be off on this but that is what I understand.
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Pete
Since 29 Oct 2007
843 Posts
Opinionated
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 8:27 am |
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| chrissmack wrote: | | registered wrote: | I always wondered about the BW kites but never see them ....they are good aye.
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randomly purchased a BW 6m this summer, to fill a hole in quiver. kite is great, no complaints, flies like a Rev, which is what he based it off and then tweaked it |
You're in luck, a whole quiver can be had for $1,200!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ben-Wilson-6m-Kite-Kitesurfing-Kiteboarding-Kitesurf-/281192167256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41785bf758#ht_234wt_1170
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ben-Wilson-Kite-8m-Kitesurfing-Kitebaording-Kitesurf-/281192165077?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41785beed5#ht_234wt_1170
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ben-Wilson-Kite-Kitesurfing-Kiteboarding-Kitesurf-10m-/281192160542?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41785bdd1e#ht_234wt_1170
I sure hope those Noise kites fly better than a Rev in side off conditions. I flew a 9M Rev in side off, came back, and immediately sold it. It kept collapsing as I rode at it, then it would reform as it got more tension. Not confidence inspiring at all, and almost impossible to kite with. YMMV...
Also, remember that those BW kites run large. A 6 is like an 8, an 8 like a 10, and a 10 like a 12.
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drtaamc
Since 24 Jul 2008
120 Posts
Stoked
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 1:08 pm |
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Myself 30-40 days a year here in OR and a group of my friends who live on the North Shore of Oahu and Kite over 100 days a year in near perfect side and side on surf, ride Ocean Rodeo Razors. Super fast turning, float down the line well, sit farther back in the window for more constant pull, yet still have a good depower range. Definitely worth a demo.
About me: Surfer first 30+ years, windsurfer 20+ before starting to Kite 11 years.
Riding Ocean Rodeo Razors since 2011.
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
Windward
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 1:32 pm |
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| drtaamc wrote: | Myself 30-40 days a year here in OR and a group of my friends who live on the North Shore of Oahu and Kite over 100 days a year in near perfect side and side on surf, ride Ocean Rodeo Razors. Super fast turning, float down the line well, sit farther back in the window for more constant pull, yet still have a good depower range. Definitely worth a demo.
About me: Surfer first 30+ years, windsurfer 20+ before starting to Kite 11 years.
Riding Ocean Rodeo Razors since 2011. |
me too,Ocean Rodeo
not where I live
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4304 Posts
Camas
Site Lackey
CGKA Member
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| Mon Oct 21, 13 5:31 pm |
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| drtaamc wrote: | | Myself 30-40 days a year here in OR and a group of my friends who live on the North Shore of Oahu |
Out of curiosity, do you know Mike Weber in Oahu?
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drtaamc
Since 24 Jul 2008
120 Posts
Stoked
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| Tue Oct 22, 13 2:58 pm |
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| I may know him by face, but I don't know him by name. Does he live on the North Shore? If he kites regularly at Mokuleia, I'm sure I've seen him. Ask him if he knows Scott Valle and Sean Reasoner (Officer Reasoner). It's a pretty small community up there.
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drtaamc
Since 24 Jul 2008
120 Posts
Stoked
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| Tue Oct 22, 13 2:58 pm |
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| I may know him by face, but I don't know him by name. Does he live on the North Shore? If he kites regularly at Mokuleia, I'm sure I've seen him. Ask him if he knows Scott Valle and Sean Reasoner (Officer Reasoner). It's a pretty small community up there.
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jperry
Since 07 Nov 2008
190 Posts
Stoked
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| Tue Oct 22, 13 3:33 pm |
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| Lol Phil Or Forrest can you just track The face less bullies ip addresses?
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jperry
Since 07 Nov 2008
190 Posts
Stoked
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| Tue Oct 22, 13 3:40 pm |
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so I like the rally and rpm a lot in the surf. The fuel is good to but it takes solid wind and a long time on a kite to really get it.
The best cabo is solid to and so is the ts. The cabo just looks sick in the waves. Rode the CABO and TS once.
Ocean rodeo prodigy is a sick surf kite to! I taught on those all summer.
But personally im use to the rally or rpm or fuel. And I find them a easy ride.
The rally drifts better then the rpm meaning when you start autchually surfing the wave your gonna get more response out of the kite, unlike the rpm where it likes to slack and fall. lol it will drift with proper back line tension though. buut the down side is you gotta lite the kite up or just be super lit so you don't have to over sheet it.
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