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Cigar Box Strings
Since 29 Jun 2013
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Lyle, WA
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 Tue Jul 02, 13 7:40 am Is this a C-Kite??? |
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I am new to kiteboarding and on an extreme budget so when a great deal came up for kites I jumped at it. Talking to an instructor about them (didn't have picks) he seemed to think that they where probably c-kites. I am hoping to get some verification on exactly what type of kites they are with these pics. They are Naish Boxers from 2006 with 5 lines. If they are c-kites will I kill myself or my bride if we use them to learn on??? Thanks.
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Weaz
Since 23 May 2012
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Beaverton
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 7:49 am |
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easiest way to tell if they are C-kites is if there isn't a bridal on the leading edge...
you'll probably be swimming a lot. newer kites (even newer ckites) relaunch a hell of a lot easier.
Not getting into the ckite vs bow vs hybrid arguments. Ckites are typically more difficult for beginners to learn, quite a few have though. And safety wise the 09+ have a lot more safety built into them.
If you do stick with them, get a few more lessons with those kites to learn some of tricks to relaunching and safety.
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cosmodog
Since 06 Oct 2005
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 7:49 am |
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Yes, they are C kites and the Boxers had a real quality problem one year (2005??). The panels were not aligned correctly and they stretched unevenly. The kites would start pulling to one side after a few sessions and become unusable. I had one and hope you don't.
I learned on C kites but can't say I recommend the experience....
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Spike
Since 13 May 2007
1414 Posts
Alameda
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 8:33 am Re: Is this a C-Kite??? |
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| Kjperry09 wrote: | | I am new to kiteboarding and on an extreme budget |
I wouldn't recommend kiteboarding if you are on an extreme budget. You'll end up cutting corners to save money, compromising you own safety and fun (e.g. kites, harness, distance you're willing to travel, etc).
Having said that, I would say any kite that is '08 and newer (as long as it's in good shape), should be adequately safe and user friendly to learn on.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
4304 Posts
Camas
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 8:36 am |
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Yep, old C-kites. is it possible to learn on them? Sure, lot's of us on here learned on older & scarier. Is it a good idea to learn on them? No. You guys will get some good beat downs, like we all did back in the day. Hopefully you won't be injured or killed. Unless your wife is VERY plucky and adventure/adrenalin driven, she will hate kiteboarding shortly after her first experience with one of these kites. There is a reason that far more women are in the sport today than back in 2006. They are generally smarter than men and when something tries to kill them they don't give that something a second chance.
Get yourself some 2008 or newer kites. You can pick up some Rev's around here for dirt cheap. You'll have more fun learning and you'll learn a lot faster.
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Lurk
Since 04 Apr 2009
355 Posts
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 9:18 am |
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Do not learn on C kites. You can get 2008 kites VERY cheap and much safer, also need LESSONS. Would you skydive without a good chute and training? Go watch some vids on the internet ---Kitemares.
BTW what low life sold you these kites? They are worthless!
(We have a guy named Henry in Chicago who has been buying old crap and reselling to newbies at inflated prices)
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Cigar Box Strings
Since 29 Jun 2013
22 Posts
Lyle, WA
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 10:25 am |
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Thank you all for replying, not the news I wanted to hear though. My wife is going to be pissed... I am pissed! Well some lessons are expensive and at least I learned it with my wallet and not our bodies! If you all know of anyone who wants c-kites that are in fantastic shape for a great deal please send them my way. 
BTW: I have had, and will be taking more, lessons.
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
1794 Posts
Doin' The Dalles
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 11:12 am |
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| Nak wrote: | | There is a reason that far more women are in the sport today than back in 2006. They are generally smarter than men and when something tries to kill them they don't give that something a second chance. |
Quote of the Day! 
Check out Rico's 11M Rev2 in the classified section and look for a 7m for the wife and you'll have your quiver for under $500. Kiting is actually very affordable today if you do the research before getting sucked into an old C kite sale.
I still see 2003/04 kites on the water so there is value in all kites with the right skill set holding the bar but an experienced rider already has his/her quiver set so those old C's are a novelty and worth next to nothing. An experienced rider selling his old C's to a newbie is weak.
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Kb2435
Since 26 Aug 2007
140 Posts
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 12:32 pm |
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| I learned on naish boxers to say you can not learn on them is BS. Of course there are newer better kites if you can afford em but if you cant the boxers are lower aspect ratio kotes. These are same people who in 10 years will be saying the 2013 geat they rave about how it is so good now is unsafe garbage. Come on guys.
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 12:47 pm sure thing |
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hey Snowball/Gtmo/Laz perpetual buyer and seller of old crap gear, don't defend this shit just cause you do the same thing, selling crap old gear to unsuspecting noobs.
Your karma must be in the crapper.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 1:24 pm |
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| gtmohawk wrote: | | I learned on naish boxers to say you can not learn on them is BS. |
Not one word on this thread that you can't learn on these kites. Sure you can. But, as has been pointed out, it's not a good idea. And anyone selling kites like these to newbies doesn't have his Karma in the crapper, it's been flushed down the sewer and poisoned the treatment plant.
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Weaz
Since 23 May 2012
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Beaverton
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 1:40 pm |
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He could also learn on this...
Still not recommended.
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Sasquatch
Since 09 Mar 2005
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 1:45 pm |
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| Nak wrote: | | gtmohawk wrote: | | I learned on naish boxers to say you can not learn on them is BS. |
Not one word on this thread that you can't learn on these kites. Sure you can. But, as has been pointed out, it's not a good idea. |
Give me a f*ing break. Kiters who started 2005 and eariler, we all learned on C kites and survived. Yes, newer bridled kites are easier to learn on. Yes, I would be skeptical of purchasing a 7+ year old c kite; but if it is structural sound, use a newer bar w/depower, it should be fine.
Nothing like the power on a bottom turn on a wave or river swell w/a C kite--I miss that...
Another thing, learning on c kites w/out depower gives one great edging skills unlike the newer kites and it hones one's kite flying skills w/regards gusts and being overpowered.
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Kb2435
Since 26 Aug 2007
140 Posts
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 2:12 pm |
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Dangler GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!
Nothing wrong with reselling kites i run a honest business with all satisfied clients (100% satisfaction rate on my ebay account with over 150 sales, very few businesses can say that). Obsess about me (kinda creepy to be honest) and harass me all you want it does and will not affect me, as long as there is a demand I will supply a service and that service will be successful. Get a life bro maybe you are jealous I am living the dream making money doing what I love. The only one with bad karma is yourself dangler.
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jblum
Since 13 Jul 2008
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The Gorge
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 3:13 pm Buy old REVs! |
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| Sella wrote: |
Check out Rico's 11M Rev2 in the classified section and look for a 7m for the wife and you'll have your quiver for under $500. Kiting is actually very affordable today if you do the research before getting sucked into an old C kite sale. |
The 2008/9 REVs are some of the best, safest, most user friendly, CHEAP kites around for learning. I just picked one up with a 2011 SS Compstick for $175. This is a great, safe, "modern", easy to learn on setup. There are TONS of them in the Gorge. Great recomendation from Ken.
Oh, and you weren't "sucked" into an old C-kite purchase.. you were suckered. This just happened to a friend of mine who bought 2004 fuels for $150/each. He was so happy with his new 5-9-13 quiver for $150/each...
If you want to make your money selling pre-2006 kites on ebay or to newbs who have no idea, you're the guy selling 1993 Ford Taurus' to high school students who are stoked to have their first car. It is an "honest" business, sure... Is it ethical? I guess we each have our own moral compass....
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Kb2435
Since 26 Aug 2007
140 Posts
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 3:27 pm |
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Actually i just sold a rev to a highschool kid last weekend after he learned on a b3 trainer. I must be such an asshole 
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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Camas
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 4:37 pm |
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| Sasquatch wrote: | | Nak wrote: | | gtmohawk wrote: | | I learned on naish boxers to say you can not learn on them is BS. |
Not one word on this thread that you can't learn on these kites. Sure you can. But, as has been pointed out, it's not a good idea. |
Give me a f*ing break. Kiters who started 2005 and eariler, we all learned on C kites and survived. Yes, newer bridled kites are easier to learn on. Yes, I would be skeptical of purchasing a 7+ year old c kite; but if it is structural sound, use a newer bar w/depower, it should be fine.
Nothing like the power on a bottom turn on a wave or river swell w/a C kite--I miss that...
Another thing, learning on c kites w/out depower gives one great edging skills unlike the newer kites and it hones one's kite flying skills w/regards gusts and being overpowered. |
I agree with all of your points. I started in 2004 and survived as well. However, I still stand by that it's not a good idea. First off, he wants his wife to enjoy the experience, not give up after being yarded. A 2008 bridled kite is dirt cheap, why not learn on something a bit safer? People did die back in 2005, a hell of a lot more frequently than now, let alone serious injuries. Is that sure to happen? No. Is the odds of a beatdown that will turn his wife off of kiteboarding forever very high? Yes. So yeah, we all survived those days, but not everyone else did.
Again, sure it's possible to learn on those kites. But the vast majority of people are going to be safer, learn faster and have more fun on a modern kite.
You're absolutely right that those old C-kites taught board skills that too many people ignore today. Probably a good idea for a lot of folks to try a C-kite once they've got some decent skills down.
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