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Nak
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| Any chance you could cut & paste the article? It's not available without a subscription. Thanks! |
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Lurk
Since 04 Apr 2009
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| Thu Jun 27, 13 7:34 am |
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| Nak, how does clean coal burning even matter? If China builds a coal plant every other month were fucked anyway. |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| Thu Jun 27, 13 7:49 am |
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| Oh the irony... shipping coal to China to power factories that build windmills that get shipped back. |
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Thu Jun 27, 13 9:04 am |
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| Nak wrote: | | Any chance you could cut & paste the article? It's not available without a subscription. Thanks! |
I can email it too you. That is allowed in the subscriber agreement. Otherwise, I would be infringing on the WSJ copyright. |
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Thu Jun 27, 13 9:27 pm |
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| Lurk wrote: | | Nak, how does clean coal burning even matter? If China builds a coal plant every other month were fucked anyway. |
Yeah, there is that. That's one of the reasons it's smarter to burn it here rather than ship it to China. I don't advocate crippling our economy to no real effect. Obama sounds real great to some, but selling coal to China instead of burning it cleanly here hurts our economy and our environment. Pretty stupid really.
| Hein wrote: | | Nak wrote: | | Any chance you could cut & paste the article? It's not available without a subscription. Thanks! |
I can email it too you. That is allowed in the subscriber agreement. Otherwise, I would be infringing on the WSJ copyright. |
Thanks! |
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Fri Jun 28, 13 6:23 am |
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Many of you have been brainwashed into the idea that CO2 drives temperature changes. When, in fact, there is compelling evidence showing that CO2 FOLLOWS temperature changes. So limiting CO2 emissions has NO effect on global temperature.
Here is an hour long presentation by Prof. Murry Salby, who is a climate scientist at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, and author of the textbook Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate, (link is to the book on Amazon)
The presentation is a bit dry and with some math so bear with him. Just listen and learn. You are free (at least for now) to maintain what ever position you want after he is done speaking.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/06/another-nail-in-the-climate-change-coffin.php |
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Dan k
Since 31 Mar 2013
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| Fri Jun 28, 13 12:30 pm |
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| Hein wrote: | Many of you have been brainwashed into the idea that CO2 drives temperature changes. When, in fact, there is compelling evidence showing that CO2 FOLLOWS temperature changes. So limiting CO2 emissions has NO effect on global temperature.
Here is an hour long presentation by Prof. Murry Salby, who is a climate scientist at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, and author of the textbook Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate, (link is to the book on Amazon)
The presentation is a bit dry and with some math so bear with him. Just listen and learn. You are free (at least for now) to maintain what ever position you want after he is done speaking.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/06/another-nail-in-the-climate-change-coffin.php |
 
Let me guess... Hein is a big fox news fan? |
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Yardsale
Since 29 Mar 2005
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| Sun Jun 30, 13 2:41 pm Re: its not political |
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| dangler wrote: | | its big money, bigger egos, and biggest douchebag billionaires, and its all greed. |
That is the truth and the only truth re: this issue. There is huge money to be made here by very few individuals. This won't create jobs, won't effect our fuel costs in the least..... there are no supply and demand economic theories in place, it's simple selling and getting paid a shit ton of cash. Also at this point...there is no such thing as clean coal, that's a huge lie so unless there's a breakthrough soon, we should be looking elsewhere for future energy needs. This will deposit sediment and dust all over the Gorge and I can't imagine why anyone thinks this is a good idea. It's interesting because Keystone is essentially the same reality, and Obama is dropping the ball letting these discussions progress as far as they have. |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Mon Jul 01, 13 10:16 am Re: its not political |
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| Yardsale wrote: | | dangler wrote: | | its big money, bigger egos, and biggest douchebag billionaires, and its all greed. |
That is the truth and the only truth re: this issue. There is huge money to be made here by very few individuals. This won't create jobs, won't effect our fuel costs in the least..... there are no supply and demand economic theories in place, it's simple selling and getting paid a shit ton of cash. Also at this point...there is no such thing as clean coal, that's a huge lie so unless there's a breakthrough soon, we should be looking elsewhere for future energy needs. This will deposit sediment and dust all over the Gorge and I can't imagine why anyone thinks this is a good idea. It's interesting because Keystone is essentially the same reality, and Obama is dropping the ball letting these discussions progress as far as they have. |
The OP was about covered barge transportation. In addition, there is no scientific data about how much coal dust comes off a train 200+ miles into a trip to the coast. Even if the coal trains were covered I doubt it would change one Nimby's opinion anyway.
It wont create jobs? Except coal miners, transportation and all of the jobs related by those people spending money in this country instead of elsewhere. China will not stop burning coal. They will just pay a little more elsewhere. this increases the price of goods. When the price of good increase it has the creates the largest impact on the poorest folks in our society. Kite boarders primarily consist of people with disposable income that do not understand how it is to live on a very limited income.
The only thing you will accomplish is to eliminate jobs in the USA. Are you willing to give your job to a coal miner?
Supply and demand dynamics don't exist here? Further proof all voters should at least take and pass an ECON 101 class.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Tue Jul 02, 13 5:35 pm Re: its not political |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: |
No offense of course |
Dude, let it go. I tried to apologize to you in a PM that you wouldn't read. I disagreed with you and thought your argument sucked. BFD. Don't take shit so personally. |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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allenlight
Since 19 Jul 2008
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| Fri Jul 05, 13 5:21 pm |
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I'm one of those Obama supporting, climate change believing voters who is not that keen on coal as a primary source of power.
Question I have; is there such a thing as 'clean burning coal'? I thought Boardman was closing due to the fact that 'clean coal' really isn't. Not looking to get flamed, just trying to see if there is any science around the 'clean coal' claim. |
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Fri Jul 05, 13 6:11 pm |
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obama101 clean coal =====> carbon tax===>stop climate change =====> not too cold not too warm utopia all engineered by humans and perfect. Lucky carbon off sets will evolve the universe next.... enough tax and Mars will be inhabitable again.  |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| I love NUKES |
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