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D-Krep It Kiter
Since 18 Jul 2011
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| Moto wrote: | | Regarding vehicles on the beach. I see where you are coming from and respect your opinion. My biggest concern is keeping jones a kiting spot. I kite Jones more than any other spot - and I look forward to hitting that place up all year long. I would be devasted if we lost Jones. So I'm willing to do whatever it takes to not lose Jones as a kiting spot. So If that means giving up parking, vehicle access, buying a parking pass, or even limited hours. Then thats what we will have to do. |
For me, that's exactly it, thank you for stating it so well. To be clear, I'm not "asking" for any changes at all... its just what I would support in order for land-owners & residents to be happy. We too spend our dough in Clatskanie. We stop at the pizza place on the way back almost every time we go... last time we were 8 hungry kiters (including Nate!). I mentioned to the cashier that we had all be out kiting at Jones. He said he'd seen us while he was out on his ATV... all I can think of now is that if we come off as anti-ATV at the meeting, they'll be horking in our pizzas every time we go in there!  |
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Jonpnw
Since 22 Jul 2010
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Pacific Northwest
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| Wed May 22, 13 6:03 am Land owners |
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Free Clinic & Kite Lessons for the local private land owners. Turn this into a "kite beach" only.
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Anthony
Since 07 Oct 2008
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| Wed May 22, 13 9:04 am |
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One last suggestion for potential parking. Have you checked what the width of the right of way for the road is? Road right of ways are typically 20-30 feet from center line of road.
Most landowners and law enforcement I have worked with have no clue where the right of way line is. I have had to get a detailed map from the county assessor to show them. You might offer that as a suggestion/ question for law enforcement to look into.
Good Luck to all!
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Wed May 22, 13 9:23 am |
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| D-Krep It Kiter wrote: | | all I can think of now is that if we come off as anti-ATV at the meeting, they'll be horking in our pizzas every time we go in there! |
I don't think we should be anti-ATV either.
- The ATV people can be a valuable resource in the future if all of our rights are in jepordy.
- If we make enemies of them we may very well have to deal with them on the beach - and maybe some more unintentional line running over happens.
- We share beach access with other people at every other launch in the area. Whether it be windsurfers, jet skiiers, beach goers, families, boats, canoes, etc. - ATV peeps shouldn't be any different.
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D-Krep It Kiter
Since 18 Jul 2011
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| Wed May 22, 13 9:42 am |
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| Moto wrote: |
- We share beach access with other people at every other launch in the area. Whether it be windsurfers, jet skiiers, beach goers, families, boats, canoes, etc. - ATV peeps shouldn't be any different. |
I don't disagree (with the exception that I don't get many canoes running over my lines!)... but ATV's are at the very heart of the issue for the land-owners. Again, this is the problem... people are just jumping in and saying "leave the ATV's alone!!! Lets support them and say NO! you will NOT close our beach..." but make no mistake, the residents are motivated and have had enough of this whole situation. If we're standing up in support of the ATV's then we could find ourselves having a very hard time getting co-operation from the land-owners. As Nak said, the ATVers have made their bed. You/we/ need to go to this meeting and LISTEN to the concerns that the residents have. They are currently the driving force behind all of this. Lets hear what they have to say. |
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quenyaistar
Since 21 Oct 2011
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Cougar, WA
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| Wed May 22, 13 9:56 am |
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Parking on the beach would be OK with me if people park away from a designated land and launch area.
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kochease
Since 03 Jul 2008
760 Posts
In Ft. Stevens, OR
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| Wed May 22, 13 10:49 am |
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Posted this on a new thread but for those of you still checking this one.....
| Quote: | From my talkings with the state and the hours of Audio records I've gone thru I see that there has been a very fair and transparent process on coming up with the rules makings proposals for Jones Beach. I wish I had know about them last December so I could have attended the meetings that made the proposed rules we see now. But it has worked out alright.
The new proposed rules, several of them will put Jones in line with standard rules and language already used in almost all other parks except for the camping part. Listening to the audio of the meetings, really is helpful in understanding why this is happening and the fustration of the community in losing Jones beach to recklessness. Not just the land owners.
So talking with Chris, Senior Policy Analyst, I have learned that the EMERGENCY CLOSURE REQUEST HAS BEEN DROPPED. It is no longer on the table or being discussed. The state is proceeding with RULE MAKING INSTEAD.
DRIVING ON THE BEACH IS STILL ALLOWED. Only ATV class 1-4 are being proposed BANNED OFF JONES PERMANENTLY. Your Car or Truck is not considered in the class 2 or 3 unless you are driving reckless on the beach then you can be ticketed. But normal sensible driving is STILL OKAY.
BEACH CLOSED TO ALL USES FROM 10PM-5AM YEAR ROUND. This can still be debated and discussed at the meeting tonight and in emails comments. There are many people still arguing for both sides of this issue.
Just understand the the land owners do want the night closure because of parties and people being loud all night, stirring up dust ect.
I think the last straw was a band set up out there and 200 people crashed the beach and rocked all night. Sounds like a fun party but suck if your living there.
So with the emails and letters lets not get frantic about a closure. Driving access is a positive thing to write about because that could still be changed now or in the future. Be important to keep our driving priviliges on Jones Beach. Not just for us but for everyone, families, fisherman, those of us with injuries and disabilities.
Some suggestions could be agreeing with the ban of ATV or not, whatever your opinion. Maintaining driving privliges. Signs and marking showing rules and beach boundaries. Yeah or Nay for camping at Jones. Nightime closure I'm personally not for but thats up to your opinion. I am going to suggest maybe camping allowed on the weekends and see how that goes instead of an all out ban of camping or nighttime closure.
Definitly comments on an outhouse but sounds like that won't happen anytime soon and possibly not at all.
I'm gonna chat with sporty at sportys gun shop who is a ex windsurfer and instructor, he had outhouses at jones once upon a time and maybe with his help we can have them again this summer, maybe work with a landowner on this. Will see. |
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kochease
Since 03 Jul 2008
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| Wed May 22, 13 10:52 am |
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I think if as a kiting community we could unify around a few major points and topics and goals we will be better off all around and can make Jones a better and safer beach.
A unified front is always better than disorganization.
| Quote: | A unified front I believe is important as well. I know many won't or don't agree with my opinion on Jones Beach Rules, but I also haven't made them very clear either oher than a couple rambling rant the night I found out about the potential closure of Jones Beach that we now know isn't happening. But we all have different opinions and I do respect that and I do appreciate any feedback or discussion people are willing to give me or talk about. I am open to debate. I have spent many, many hours on these rule making proceedings and it has evolved my view of a few hings, as well I have learned alot about the area, people and the government agencies.
So now we need to address the other issues that were raised about Jones. And that is what I plan on focusing on.
I believe NAK summed it up very well for most the issues.
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First off, what can we, the kiteboarding community, do to help the situation at Jones Beach? We have to respect the local's position and help work towards a solution that addresses their rights and concerns. We need to develop a good relationship with them, as well as appropriate governing agencies. We'll be organizing annual cleanups of Jones Beach for sure. We'll help with signage so that visitors will be aware of Jones Beach regulations and property lines. We'll help Kiteboarders self police our community's behaviour at jones. Basically, we'll do the things we're already doing all over the Gorge.
What should our goals, as a kiteboarding community be at Jones? Fiirst and foremost, we want to maintain Jones Beach as a viable Kiteboarding launch site. We all know that we can do that while keeping Jones a safe and enjoyable spot for locals and visitors alike. It's our job at this and future meetings to get that point across to the governing agencies and the landowners. With a united front, we can do that. This is not the time to try and push for new regulations that one or two of us as individuals may want. That will just confuse the issue. Confuse it too much and the easy answer for the politicians will be just to shut off kiteboarding. They don't understand kitebaording, they don't know what is safe and what isn't. We know and understand that Jones can be a very safe launch point; it's our job to convey that message. Please, PLEASE, don't confuse the message. Let us do our job of protecting your rights. We need your help and your support. Again, I point to our record in the Gorge as a reason why we deserve your help and support.
We hope to maintain vehicular access and jetski launching at Jones, if we can work that out. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, vehicular access is important for many people to be able to reach the shallow launch area. There are kiteboarders who are physically able to kite, but are physically incapable of hiking the 1/4 mile while carrying their gear due to minor disabilities. I can think of one guy with a bum knee... However, we need to respect private property lines. Additionally, it would be great to come up with advisory areas for where not to park, so that kiters can land downwind of vehicles. I think that should be left out of the meeting however. We can work on that later. Again, let's not confuse the issue. As far asJetski launching, Jetskis provides a valuable rescue resource at Jones that is simply not available otherwise.
There's a lot more that will have to go in to this as well. Lavatory facilities will have to be addressed. Certain restrictions like speed limits on vehicles would not hurt us at all. Camping would be nice, but my feeling is that the locals and the police are way too fed up with the situation to allow camping to continue. If regulated camping can be achieved that would be great, but it would be foolish to lose all of our other goals to fight for this one. As far as ATV use, I believe the ATV crowd has made their own bed.
Anthony has been a huge help with this and has been very insiteful. He has a wealth of knowledge about the area and people and I learned alot from his conversation and emails. Thanks Anthony.
I believe Anthony, Nak and I are on the same page.
With the CGKA I hope the land owners will become friends to us and accepting.
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kochease
Since 03 Jul 2008
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| Wed May 22, 13 11:01 am |
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On a side note..... I would appreciate everyone who is emailing, calling and writing the Department of State Lands stick to the topics and comments of the rules being proposed.
I would really like my business completely left out of this and not be used for any points or topics.
I am attending these meetings and participating in the rule making as a participant and user of Jones Beach, not as a business. Keeps things simple and easier for me.
I involved myself into this as a patron of Jones and for no other reason. Not for business or money, but because I love that beach! It is like a home to me and my family, and definitely is home for my dog lol........
Thanks and a thanks to all who have taken the time to write and make a difference. I appreciate all your efforts.
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