Jones Beach Restriction?

Anthony · Since 07 Oct 2008 362 Posts Salem Obsessed **CGKA Member**

Does not effect kiters unless you ATV there or camp overnight.

http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/pages/rules/bulletin/0513_bulletin/0513_rulemaking_bulletin.html

See Section: Department of State Lands, Chapter 141

beech · Since 21 Aug 2010 486 Posts Longview, WA Obsessed

for easy reading

Wind Slither · Since 04 Mar 2005 2622 Posts The 503 METAL

Awe, no more noisy drunk red-necks running over lines and filling the air with thick dust?!

Jones will never be the same! Laughing

broadbandito · Since 26 Apr 2005 342 Posts CSO headwaters WheatHead

Moto · Since 03 Sep 2006 2698 Posts Still a gojo pimp! Moto Mouth

kochease · Since 03 Jul 2008 760 Posts In Ft. Stevens, OR Opinionated

This does impact us kiters in a lot of ways. It is also being brought up that Jones be closed to everyone!!!!! Because of the bathroom issue. Jones would be shut down for the summer fro emergency ORS provisions and health hazard Bull Shit.

Also once they ban ATV sand people, it is a given that all vehicles will be banned next, it is how government works. And if you think otherwise your living in the clouds and haven't paid attention to our government the last 15 years.

I'd like to know how they came up with the hours and days of ATV use? wed and sat from 9am-9pm? Sound ridiculous and very poorly thought out by pin head morons!!!!

Dont forget this will ban all of us from camping at jones and I do camp their several times a summer, not to mention beach closed at 10pm in peak summer? Yikes!

I am still kitingat 10pm sometimes, I regularly leave Jones around 10:30-11pm.

I know ATV sand people can be a problem and redneck common sense can sometimes be seriously lacking, but when government steps in to regulate the few, soon the masses suffer including us kiters. I don't want to see poeple lose their playground even with a few asshole atv pricks screwing with all of us, kiters could be singled out and restricted just as easily.

I think all sports should have the freedom to use the beach but for how many reckless and rude sand peoples at Jones I would not be opposed to signs stating state ATV laws and the occasional enforcement from Law Enforcement. I think that is a more common sense and fair way of approaching this situation.

I know most of the sand people don't have the required gear, licenses, and riding permits required by state law. How about we start with that and I bet you would see a brand new Jones Beach very quickly with almost no to a very few stupid riders.

If you want to get rid of these bad seed sand people just bring Jones beach up to the 20th century and start ticketing riders who don't wear helmets and dont get the state riding permit and the rest will fall into place.

We kiteboarders could be singled out just as easily as sand people. All we need is one complaint from a ship and Jones could be shut down to kiters also. But thank goodness us kiters are 10 timers smarter than the rest and have respect!!!!!

A bathroom would be awesome, I was actually working on getting a outhouse located at west end of Jones for us kiters, was hoping to have it placed by end of the month.

If anyone else want to protect one of the gorges best kiting locations then write some letters, make some phones calls and show up to this meeting and tell them NO!! You cannot shut down our beach!!

Will post contact info soon.

kochease · Since 03 Jul 2008 760 Posts In Ft. Stevens, OR Opinionated

141-088-0008

Restrictions or Closures Imposed by the Director to Facilitate or Protect Removal or Remedial Actions

(1) The Director may impose restrictions on, or close state-owned land if the Director determines that the restriction or closure is necessary to facilitate or protect any removal or remedial action undertaken by or pursuant to an order issued by DEQ or EPA.

kochease · Since 03 Jul 2008 760 Posts In Ft. Stevens, OR Opinionated

CALL and WRITE them below and tell them they are being excessive, overreaching and discrimination against the hundreds of people who enjoy Jones beach every year!

Tell them we don't want closed hours and lose our camping. Let the director know that the emergency request under ORS. 144-88-007 because it dies not qualify under state ORS and is unnecessary, it is unfair and outragous.

kochease · Since 03 Jul 2008 760 Posts In Ft. Stevens, OR Opinionated

Under the proposed rules the language used states that it would be illegal to back your jet ski into the water at jones beach because it is not a official launch.

That would screw several people Jon and me.

kochease · Since 03 Jul 2008 760 Posts In Ft. Stevens, OR Opinionated

Here is the link with complete ruling language, details, meeting notes, agenda ect. Take a few minute to read it then fight to keep Jones beach free from closures and our enjoyment. Say YES to camping and no night closures!!!!

http://www.oregon.gov/dsl/Pages/rules_activity.aspx

Blazeheliski · Since 30 Mar 2011 659 Posts Mosier Addicted

Email sent. Totally agree with Nate!

Pepi · Sat May 11, 13 1:43 am

Nate, have you had a chance to speak with anyone directly at the Dept of State Lands Office, or either of the hearing officers for this case?

It might be a good idea to do some deeper research into what the mechanics of this proposal consist of and what they are attempting to accomplish before you go in with guns blazing.
There could be other issues at hand, and some of those could possibly favor kiteboarding if you share a position of support for the environmental safety of the Jones beach. It could be either good or bad, but you should really research a lot of this information by speaking directly with the DSL office or more specifically the officers in charge of this hearing.

I know from our experiences (CGKA) in dealing with the Port of HR, City of HR, State Parks Dept/Agencies and Department of State Lands, that there is usually a reason for why things are occuring, whether it be a budget shortage or a public ordinance proposal.

Just some food for thought to make sure you go through this experience as a relationship building situation with the DSL, instead of the other way around.

Occupied Columbia · Since 12 Nov 2011 376 Posts Columbia City Obsessed

From an economic standpoint. We often stop at the shell station for snacks and fuel on our way to Jones. We also often stop for dinner at Ixtapa on the way out. I wouldn't be surprised if quad riders do too. So that would be 5 days a week of lost revenue from quad people.
A counter proposal might be an outhouse.
Bring the Oregon rulemakers out there one day a week and the bushes will be clean, because they all seem to suck sh@t.

PDXF · Since 10 Sep 2008 116 Posts Stoked

There is an exception for public and private vehicles doing company business so anybody pimping kites or lessons still has access...

OG · Since 07 Jun 2011 599 Posts Addicted

Phuk man. I never thought that getting into kiting was going to have me needing to attend so much government stuff.

Date: Time: Location:

5-22-13 5 p.m. Clatskanie People’s Utility District Community Meeting Rm. 495 E. Columbia River Hwy. Clatskanie, OR 97016

When i read this whole thing I didn't think it had much in the way of initial impact to kiters. I agree with Nate/Moto that if this goes, then where does it stop. Kiters/Windsurfers have to be in the itty bitty minority of people that use the beach, so if the ATV folks lose it then beach recreation users probably lose a large part of their representation. This could pretty easily give way to us losing access as well.

I'll send a message to jonesbeach.rulemaking@dsl.state.or.us today.

As a community we seem to do the right thing and self police in the gorge, this is likely a wake up call to be better behaved at Jones and treat it with similar respect as we do Gorge launches. Things like driving a responsible speed along the farm roads, parking off the road/out of the way, picking up after yourself, etc. Jones has always been cool cuz its a bit lawless (also cuz the wind rocks). I've seen the ATV folks do some funny stuff like jump a dodge neon, funny to me but maybe its not funny to the locals. Im betting part of the problem is that the people that live out there dont appreciate the disruption by those that dont live there.

I think the bathroom thing is a little silly. It is a public land space/beach like a lot of other places, and like a lot of other places is far from any amenities/conveniences. If ya gotta go ya gotta go. Putting in a honey bucket or a couple seems like a great idea, doesn't seem like gov't would have to 'bail out' jones beach to accomplish this. I dont think kiters do it much as we are some cross section of too civilzed, prissed up, and in a hurry to shit in the bushes and leave the evidence. But, if you do, figure out a way to make it right (no elaboration necessary).

Anyway, users of Jones Beach unite. Let us ensure the tyranny of whitey the man does not fuck our shit up.

knewschool · Since 23 Dec 2010 61 Posts Wyoming

I went to Jones Beach last year and it's a Jem of a spot for public land. I'd worry about some cranky fisherman, or annoyed neighbors trying to shut it down. If I was a regular there I'd be all over beach clean ups, garbage cans, and an outhouse. A few signs with some user guidelines and maybe designate a camping area.

I've seen awesome public land get closed to hundreds of people who use it everyday because they didn't even notice the one negative person petitioning the government. So because I want to go to Jones Beach again, and possibly even camp out if it's not too windy I wrote a letter asking for the beach not to be closed. Maybe I'll even drive up there for a clean up day and some kiting.

Good Luck guys!

jackZ · Since 13 Apr 2008 355 Posts Devon Alberta ca. Obsessed

I come down from Canada and kite at Stevenson , Hood river , Jones and then the coast and back . I love staying at Jones as it's quiet in the early season . It does suck about no shitters as it's gross . I poop in my camper toilet and pee in my wetsuit. I don't give a hoot about sharing with the Quadders . Red necks are people too . I keep an eye out for the Barges/ships . They have right of way and it's stupid not to give it or get too close in case of mishap .
Why is this happening ? I know why , because someone has taken the time to write a report and complain . Trying to defend another position on the use of this area is now much more difficult as the negative is already there . ( by said asshole )
As a tourist and a firm believer in the freedom of movement , use of public or in our case Crown lands is a right we must retain ! If you don't like what your seeing look the other way man . As long as I'm not interfering with your shit don't do it to me . Isn't that freedom .
Aww Fuck all good things come to an end Eh ?!
JackZ