Does CGKA have a position on this?

moondog · Wed Aug 22, 12 4:50 pm

If you want to make a difference you can get involved in "Friends of the Columbia Gorge". They are fighting this battle hot and heavy. Their website is www.gorgefriends.org.

mystery curd · Since 14 Jun 2010 98 Posts Floating

Hein,
Thanks for deluding this into a right/left scrum.
This actually has nothing to do with bubble gum, two party political arguments but, thanks for trying to distract everyone, Hein.

Everyone else,
This issue is very simple. Countless thousands of pounds of toxic coal dust blowing in air and coating all of our favorite launches through the entire gorge regardless of transportation module or if you are a dem or repug. And where do the profits go? Same place they always do, in the pockets of the few at the cost of the many. Do we really want increase our cancer and asthma risks for the profit of a handful of careless tycoons? Nope. How do we quantify the costs of these corps doing business without factoring in the destruction of life and environment?
I don't give a shit about this corporate group's attempt to carve more profit out of our collectively owned country. The onus is on them to prove that their entire operation is harmless and causes no monetary externalities for the all of our communities to cover.

This is not difficult to understand, Hein. The question is, why do you advocate that the public should foot the bill for all of the expected and unexpected externalities of corporations doing "business"? Why advocate for a business to spew toxic dust all over the gorge, take the profit privately and let the public foot the medical bills and clean up bills for decades? Your position is rediculous! Now, gloss over all these messy details and start preaching how toxic coal dust is actually not toxic at all and instead is actually GOOD for you! Tell us how everyone should mix a spoonful a day into our iced tea..

The rich and powerful don't even need to use their money and lawyers when they've got their brainwashed minions fighting their battle for them.

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/24/obama-coal-mining-expansion

K4L · Since 19 Jan 2009 483 Posts Obsessed

shred_da_gorge · Wed Aug 22, 12 10:20 pm

Funny the fingers fly, and the topic never rolls around to the root cause of the issue: our demand for energy. It's all about production and never about consumption and conservation, but the bottom line is it comes down to collective human behavior. What we feel we "need"...

Shut off the lights and go fly a kite.

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

Update for those following this issue.... DaFazio has weighed on .... in favor of coal exports!

http://democratherald.com/news/local/congressman-backs-coal-exports-to-asia/article_47df8f0e-edab-11e1-a72d-001a4bcf887a.html

DeFazio has some serious juice, he's been in the House forever, he is one of the most senior Democratic reps in the whole country.

Petey D on the "go go coal" side.... it's probably a done deal, at least for exports out of Coos Bay.

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K4L · Since 19 Jan 2009 483 Posts Obsessed

quenyaistar · Since 21 Oct 2011 416 Posts Cougar, WA Obsessed

we suffer because we desire.....desire demands the satisfaction of SENSED need

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

Is there anything more inane than a bunch of rich, white, fun-hogging males talking about their suffering?

My grandfather sufferd like a mofo when he came to the USA at age 12 to work in the mines (granite mines, not coal, probably worse) but since then it's been pretty plush for my tribe. Personally, I can't really blame the Indochineese for wanting a piece of that action.

quenyaistar · Since 21 Oct 2011 416 Posts Cougar, WA Obsessed

I dont blame them either, problem is the Earth cant handle it in its current form.

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

Well, DeFaz think our coal is cleaner than the coal they're burning now, and DeFaz is the Occupy Wall Street rep, so how can be wrong?

knotwindy · Since 25 Sep 2011 615 Posts Addicted

[quote="pjc"]Is there anything more inane than a bunch of rich, white, fun-hogging males talking about their suffering?

why yes there is,
some one who does not comprehend well, takes things out of context and gets upset about things he misunderstood.
yea, i said it.

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

BeerKite · Since 29 Mar 2011 471 Posts Obsessed

Just got this email link for anyone interested.
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I try to stay out of the Political jibber jabber on here but I see this as more of a public health deal. This is the kind of trickle down I, for one, don't want any part of. As someone who uses the river daily, I don't want any part of the coal export spewing crap in the air and water.

jackZ · Since 13 Apr 2008 355 Posts Devon Alberta ca. Obsessed

Burn that coal and oil people it makes me and my fellow Albertans rich .
Sell it to whoever wants it . We need the money , lots of it ! So our 16 yr olds can all drive Escalades and Quads and Snow machines worth tons of cash . Wake board boats worth 75k + abound here on our swampy lakes . What would those poor kids do without those toys , just think of the trouble they'd get into .
We want to bring it to you down there too but there seems to be a problem with the pipeline . WTF , don't your kids need gas ?
There should be factories on the banks of the Columbia right behind all those windmills . Keeping the jobs at home eh boys ! A few steel mills never did much harm to the Great lakes . A little coal dust is good for you . Didn't you ever see an underground coal miner leaving the bowels of the earth after a shift ? They have big white toothed smiles ! It must be great !
So , I guess unless you live in a cave and eat cold worms and roots you really should keep your mouth shut when on the river so your teeth will look nice and white too .
Oh but wait , no one wants to get their hands dirty anymore . The young seem to all want to be rich clicking on a computer . Coal and oil gets them there .
How about that eh ?
Pretty fucked eh! There's no way of stopping the greed it seems .
JackZ
I don't care if I offended anyone either , I'm learning this too from our kids these days .