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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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 Wed May 30, 12 1:44 pm WHATS UP KAYAK SHED? |
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You post up all neutral, we don't oppose the cable park, our employee's have a right to their opinions, whether we agree or not.
As they say on Saturday Night Live, REALLY??????? https://www.facebook.com/friendsofthehoodriverwaterfront/posts/407900745900877
TELL IT LIKE IT IS, NOT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Wed May 30, 12 2:02 pm |
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| Just so everyone knows, Kayak Shed has always been a supporter of the Slider Project, and John allowed us access to use his facilities to do whatever we needed with regards to setting up the sliders, and organizing for the RoShamThrowDown. It's unfair to boycott his business.
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lloyd
Since 16 Aug 2007
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| Wed May 30, 12 3:07 pm |
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| Dangler, why are you trying to make something out of this? There really isn't anything there of substance for you to be taking such a strong stand on this. John's response was perfectly reasonable, respectful and in-line.
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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| Wed May 30, 12 5:17 pm REALLY?????? |
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You really don't see the hypocrisy? He claims to be "neutral" and doesn't oppose the cable park proposal, then runs a Facebook page opposing the idea, and offers free rentals to anyone who will join the opposition.
It's fine if he's against it, he might perceive it as a threat to his kayak rental business in that same boat basin, although I don't see how a significant influx of sports loving tourists could ever be bad for business.
But you can't have it both ways, professing to be neutral, then working behind the scenes to monkey wrench the proposal.
Again, I'm not opposed to opposition, (man that phrase cracks me up) but keep it real. Outline legitimate reasons, emphasis on legitimate. NOT pulling out any roadblock, threat, legal posturing, or fake altruism. If you think it will hurt your business if it happens, I think you are wrong. I think its a good thing for everyone, and I haven't heard an argument against that makes any sense.
REASONS FOR A CABLE PARK
1. Fun thing to do on a hot day.
2. vastly improve a neglected toxic area of a Man Made ditch thats basically going to waste
3. Bring money bearing tourists to town said tourists supporting what is largely a tourist town.
4. Very little enviromental impact activity thats very family friendly.
5. A healthy activity that is within finacial reach of nearly anyone.
6. It would be very, very cool. Put Hood River on many more people's agenda.
Reasons AGAINST:
Scooter Bell is deprived of 1/100,000 per cent of his available paddling space in the area.
Their original argument that a Private Enterprise is depriving the entire world of a God given right purely FOR PROFITS is typical of their scatter gun, try any approach to delay or subvert a process is a smoke screen for their real agenda.
I* don't know what their real agenda is, but I suspect it originates in the idea that they somehow are going to lose money as a result of the project.
Professing a neutral stance, then actively pursuing a negative stance is hypocrisy. And I can't support it.
oH, by the way, my original post was deleted due to a threat of legal action by Derek Bell against this forum. What a shock. It no doubt violated some environmental laws as well. Maybe we can order a study.
COME ON GUYS, GET REAL!!!!
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Inept_Fun
Since 14 Apr 2005
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| Wed May 30, 12 6:26 pm |
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What legal action could Derek Bell possibly take, this is a public forum, we are free to say what we want. Sounds like this kook is ready to take The First Amendment to court as well. lol
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D-Krep It Kiter
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| Wed May 30, 12 7:59 pm |
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| lloyd wrote: | | John's response was perfectly reasonable, respectful and in-line. |
So what you're saying is its ok he lied, because he said it nicely? I agree with Dangler... I checked out the posted link, as well as the "Friends of Hood River Waterfront", which as far as I could tell spoke only of opposing the cable park, not the hotel. Looking through their Facebook page, I don't think a lot of their "supporters" realize that they are only opposing the cable park, and not the hotel. I find it hard to believe that their motive is truly about "what's best for the waterfront" and not motivated by the kayak rental.
Regardless, John did come on here saying that his business was unbiased, and if you check the link Dangler posted, clearly, that's not true.
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OG
Since 07 Jun 2011
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| Wed May 30, 12 9:16 pm |
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it does seem like theres something up. but what are we trying to do? Figure out who's to blame? dont let a hotel developer with a squashed cable park plan make you turn on each other. it would suck to see more water folks not liking each other. I somehow think that cooler heads always prevail, and that a community of folks behaving as such will get what they want. I think that ultimately means that we get to have the most fun, maybe not that we will get a cable park. whatevz! maybe scooter has a hot girlfriend a kiter can steal....that was dumb but made me laugh a little
right now the only hate i have is for the heat. cant stand lebron. dewd, i guess im a hater
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Inept_Fun
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| Thu May 31, 12 9:24 am |
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Bettyboarder
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Inept_Fun
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:05 am |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: | | funny that they deleted it already |
yeah thats why I decided to get a quick SS and post it up here.
lol and they blocked me from posting more on their page...
Also now look at the hilarious follow up comment... We are no longer able to offer free kayak rentals in may, we already got the photos we needed... lol
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OG
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:15 am |
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| its officially shady now i guess.
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:22 am GETTING REAL |
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Derek Bell sent me a message stating the real reason for his opposition to the cable park. He is worried that they will lose the kayak rental business that the schools depend on.
It's a legitimate reason, and one that I can understand. I found his tree hugging starry eyed save the river from the "man" poor little fishies stance a little hard to swallow from the git go, but in these harsh economic times, any threat to one's financial security is scary.
Personally, I think the considerable time, effort, and enviable organizational skills of the "Friends" could be applied to securing their true goal. Keeping a viable business in place.
It actually seems like a win-win situation is in reach, if the parties involved could come together and work out a plan that works for everyone.
I would think an influx of water loving, money spending tourists would be more than enough to benefit all parties.
Hope they can all get together and work something out.
Live Long and Dangle!! Dangler Out.
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taycar
Since 11 Jan 2010
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:24 am |
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| Not sure if anyone else noticed. When I was heading to the Event Site on the morning of May 26th there were 10 plus kayaks on the shore of the basin and one person with a high-end camera filming. Not sure if it's related but thought it was pretty funny considering what's going down.
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OG
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:31 am Re: GETTING REAL |
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| dangler wrote: | Derek Bell sent me a message stating the real reason for his opposition to the cable park. He is worried that they will lose the kayak rental business that the schools depend on.
It's a legitimate reason, and one that I can understand. I found his tree hugging starry eyed save the river from the "man" poor little fishies stance a little hard to swallow from the git go, but in these harsh economic times, any threat to one's financial security is scary.
Personally, I think the considerable time, effort, and enviable organizational skills of the "Friends" could be applied to securing their true goal. Keeping a viable business in place.
It actually seems like a win-win situation is in reach, if the parties involved could come together and work out a plan that works for everyone.
I would think an influx of water loving, money spending tourists would be more than enough to benefit all parties.
Hope they can all get together and work something out.
Live Long and Dangle!! Dangler Out. |
knowing where scooter works, i thought his motivation to be biz related all along. Though i dont wish anyone to have to struggle, this didn't put any more sugar in my koolAid. I think it tends to challenge decent ethics in that you are bringing up all of these reasons like salmon smelt when your real motivation is entirely something else. Im not going to get on a soapbox, I just think the smokescreen pretty transparent, and therein insulting. Maybe they made a 'threat to our business' argument first and it didn't fly. So, that said, maybe i should shut my mouth. I still think its shady.
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Thu May 31, 12 10:33 am |
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my buddy who reps kayak gear surely knows this guy pretty well - i'll get the 411.
kayaking has been cancelled anyway - it's SUP now instead
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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| Thu May 31, 12 12:26 pm |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: | Before this morning.....I couldn't care much either way about the cable park but after receiving a private message from Scooter this morning I plan on fighting for a cable park
It's a huge waterfront even if a cable park went in there is still plenty of room for a kayak business....there is a huge boat marina, the hook is big or around wells island there is plenty of room out there for everyone. |
Betty don't waste your time with Scooter. When 12 kiters met with him for coffee, from the efforts of Forrest, to try and get the groups to work TOGETHER on a win-win solution he was all about water rights and said his Kayak Shed employment had no impact on his viewpoint and that John (owner) was not part of it and actually liked the cable concept. Which I thought made sense; Big space =more people = more potential customers. Now he's sending PM's stating the opposite because he likes to stir the pot. He's an attention whore so the correct way to handle Derek Bell..is ignore him.
Derek, since I know you're reading this, your change of tune/color is surprising...but I guess a good liar hones their skill overtime. You have no credibility and are not trustworthy when the Pro-Cable efforts have been just the opposite. Regardless to whatever happens with the cable-park...you sir....have bigger demons to deal with in your life because a liar will never gain respect....but you will migrate from group to group to group spinning your tales of knowledge. Very sad. Enjoy that mirror every morning.
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scooter
Since 23 Apr 2005
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| Thu May 31, 12 12:36 pm |
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