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j

Since 08 Nov 2006
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Thu Feb 09, 12 10:28 am |
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JMacMatic wrote: | ...2 minutes in class means 10+ min in the field. At that point, 60% of victims are already gone... |
avalanche.org wrote: | ..of the 123 skiers extricated within 15 min, only 8 were dead and, moreover, only 2 had died of asphyxia (extrication times 10 and 15 min), whereas the remaining 6 skiers had all sustained fatal injuries during descent of the avalanche. The survival probability then plummets from 92% at 15 min to only 30% at 35 min... |
from: http://www.avalanche.org/moonstone/rescue/avalanche%20survival%20chances.htm
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Blazeheliski

Since 30 Mar 2011
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Thu Feb 09, 12 10:53 am |
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All good information.
And even if you do all the right things and take all the correct precautions - things can still go wrong. I remember about 15-20 years ago when the head ski patrol up at Meadows died in a freak avalanche. The way it was reported to me by someone who was supposedly there was he was teaching some avi techniques to about 10 other ski patrol. They were all at the "mini-bowl" that forms right at the end of the rock formation right under the Cascade lift. There was a cornice there, and he stomped on it several times to break it loose and it did not budge. He skied down to the bottom of the bowl and stopped to turn around to give some instruction to the other ski patrol. The cornice broke away and hit him hard. They dug him out in less than 5 minutes, but the snow was so heavy, and hit him so hard that it forced all the air out of his lungs and they say that he died almost instantly.
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Inept_Fun

Since 14 Apr 2005
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Thu Feb 09, 12 4:49 pm |
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JMacMatic wrote: | that. In 2 minutes in class means 10+ min in the field. At that point, 60% of victims are already gone. The best means of avoiding burial is to ride safe and limit risky slope-riding.
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Maybe it would take you over ten mintues, but I think I could teach my cat how to locate someone with a beacon in under 10 minutes. Not that im hoping to have to dig anyone out of an avalanche or be fighting for my life in one anytime soon.
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dangler

Since 26 Feb 2006
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Thu Feb 09, 12 5:30 pm haha |
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Inept_Fun wrote: | JMacMatic wrote: | that. In 2 minutes in class means 10+ min in the field. At that point, 60% of victims are already gone. The best means of avoiding burial is to ride safe and limit risky slope-riding.
Just sayin' |
Maybe it would take you over ten mintues, but I think I could teach my cat how to locate someone with a beacon in under 10 minutes. Not that im hoping to have to dig anyone out of an avalanche or be fighting for my life in one anytime soon. |
Get your cat a flask of brandy to wear around its neck, and viola, POOR MANS ST. BERNARD
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J_Matic

Since 14 Oct 2011
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Thu Feb 09, 12 6:01 pm |
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Fackin' hilarious dangler!
Just came across this little nugget: "Teton AmPASSador Jay Pistono stands next to the 10-12′ high avalanche path. If you were
to be caught in this slide, there is NO WAY (ABS?) you could possibly survive."
http://www.tetonat.com/2012/01/24/taylor-mountain-avalanche/
Dumbass intentionally set this Avy off into a terrain trap used by ascending skiers/boarders. Shiiitballs man, that's a huge effin' slide!
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jdk
Since 21 Dec 2005
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Ryan
Since 14 Jul 2005
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Thu Feb 09, 12 9:41 pm big slide |
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If you want to see the impact of a big slide search around for the slide out of Heather last year. The scour out of the bottom at the terrain trap was close to 30 feet high. The debri at the bottom nearly took out the bottom of Heather chair. Crazy!!!
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jdk
Since 21 Dec 2005
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Thu Feb 09, 12 10:39 pm |
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crazy for sure
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pacifichigh

Since 11 May 2005
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Mon Feb 13, 12 7:24 pm |
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Fatality in Telluride sidecountry today, victim had beacon, avalung. & ABS but was riding alone. R.I.P.
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MarkWorth

Since 02 May 2011
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Tue Feb 14, 12 7:57 am |
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Backcountry Avalanche Forecast for Northern San Juan
Issued: 02/14/2012 5:52 AM by Brian Lazar
We regret to report the 5th avalanche fatality in Colorado this season. Yesterday a backcountry snowboarder was killed in an avalanche in the Bear Creek drainage south of the town of Telluride. The avalanche occurred on an easterly slope that was below treeline. Our staff was in the area yesterday and will visit the accident site today. We will report more details as soon as possible. Our deepest condolences go out to the friends and family of the victim. You can read media reports :
http://www.watchnewspapers.com/view/full_story/17518264/article-Avalanche-Kills-Sidecountry-Snowboarder-in-Contention?instance=top_story
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19957443
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The slide was violent and carried Nate through trees and over cliff bands.
His air bags were deflated by rips and his avalung was damaged. He sustained significant trauma to head and neck.
Avalanches can be bad for you, regardless of your equipment.
Good decision making, not equipment, is the key to avalanche safety
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shymac

Since 20 Jul 2005
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Home Valley, Wa.
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genek

Since 21 Jul 2006
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Inept_Fun

Since 14 Apr 2005
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Tue Feb 14, 12 3:24 pm |
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[quote="genek"] shymac wrote: | First you need to get there... For snowboarders that don't want to use a dam split..
http://mtnapproach.com/ |
Wrong, for snowboarders that don't want to use a damn split:
Assuming that you can ride your snowmobile where you are trying to ride...
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genek

Since 21 Jul 2006
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Tue Feb 14, 12 4:41 pm |
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Fair enough Ian, but there are so many good places you can shuttle with a sled if you know what you're doing (if you live in the right place that is). And even if you can't get all the way on a sled you'll often save hours by riding as far as you can.
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C Johnson

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1surfer

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alankitesurf2
Since 21 Jun 2006
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Sat Feb 18, 12 11:12 pm |
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Just got back from a heli trip last weekend in BC. The airbag backpacks were mandatory and not a option. The pull lever has a velcro safety for when you do not want it to accidently deploy{like in the heli}. Mainly keep you floating on top of the avi debri flow but some protection from trauma. Interesting to note the the guides almost never wear helmets,no avilungs but are totally sold on the airbag system. CMH offers them as a option but will likely require them as they have had a fatality this year without the use of a airbag and will be difficult to justify/defend their non-use in the future. The backpacks are non-bulky,light and the cost is really coming down.
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