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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Chooch wrote: | From Boat US Foundation:
The Pecking Order
There is a "pecking order" that can be used as a simplified memory aid to determine right of way for vessels
of different types. Get very familiar with this list, as it is important to understand it thoroughly. The lower most
vessel on the list is the give way vessel, and must stay out of the way of vessels that are higher on the list:
Overtaken vessel (top priority)
Vessels not under command
Vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver
Vessels constrained by draft
Fishing vessels engaged in fishing, with gear deployed
Vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver
Sailing vessels
Power driven vessels
I always say that you have the right of way over a power boat, but you should still keep your distance. |
A simpler assumption - all boaters are wasted (cept for new England boaters who are also tarded)
Columbia River Etiquette is to yield far in advance for boats holding a course in the channel
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scartch
Since 10 Feb 2008
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| Tue Aug 02, 11 8:09 pm |
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| kitezilla wrote: | Are kiteboards really "vessels"?
If we are "vessels", don't we have to carry things like a fire extinguisher, bucket, axe, and life preservers?
If so, then, I don't wanna be a vessel.
Aren't we more like "toys" in a driveway.... CRUNCH... OOPS! |
AXE????
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mattb
Since 02 Aug 2011
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| Tue Aug 02, 11 9:51 pm |
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| As someone who has to enforce this this type of issue on the water, the rules that everyone is talking about it the Rules of the Road inland and International. Kiteboarders are considered sailing vessels in the grand scheme of vessels, so yes you do have the right of way over power driven vessels. There is plenty of legal precedence to support this. I wouldn't recommend testing this of course, cause just about everyone that has, collided with the power driven vessel. Now just keep in mind though that there is a rule called Rule 9. This says that all vessels will keep out of the way of another vessel that can only safely transit in prescribed channel. This is usually your larger cargo vessels and tugs and barges. If you do violate this a cause a incident the least of your worries is the small fine that the Coast Guard is going to issue you, and trust me $2000 is cheap compared to the legal retributions the shipping company is going to come after you with, and yes this has happened too. Long story short we do fall under these rules, and we should have a understanding of these, especially the parts regarding to sailing vessels. This is coming from someone who not only rides but has been enforcing these for some 12 years now.
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expressboy
Since 01 Jun 2011
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Western Wa
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| Wed Aug 03, 11 6:21 am |
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| mattb wrote: | | As someone who has to enforce this this type of issue on the water, the rules that everyone is talking about it the Rules of the Road inland and International. Kiteboarders are considered sailing vessels in the grand scheme of vessels, so yes you do have the right of way over power driven vessels. There is plenty of legal precedence to support this. I wouldn't recommend testing this of course, cause just about everyone that has, collided with the power driven vessel. Now just keep in mind though that there is a rule called Rule 9. This says that all vessels will keep out of the way of another vessel that can only safely transit in prescribed channel. This is usually your larger cargo vessels and tugs and barges. If you do violate this a cause a incident the least of your worries is the small fine that the Coast Guard is going to issue you, and trust me $2000 is cheap compared to the legal retributions the shipping company is going to come after you with, and yes this has happened too. Long story short we do fall under these rules, and we should have a understanding of these, especially the parts regarding to sailing vessels. This is coming from someone who not only rides but has been enforcing these for some 12 years now. |
So how is a boat supposed to navigate up and down river through a spot on the river that is relatively narrow ( 1 mile ) with 200 boards and kites crossing at perpendicular angles to the river and actually make any headway?. As you may guess I am both a kiter and a boater. Inland rules state that a boat that is going up/down stream ( this is only inland rules ) is the stand on vessel if limited in it's ability to maneuver.. doesn't 200 objects crossing a river across the flow of traffic while moving at a high rate of speed give the boat a limited ability to maneuver?.
Expressboy
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kitezilla
Since 22 Jun 2006
453 Posts
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| Wed Aug 03, 11 8:31 am |
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| scartch wrote: | | kitezilla wrote: | Are kiteboards really "vessels"?
If we are "vessels", don't we have to carry things like a fire extinguisher, bucket, axe, and life preservers?
If so, then, I don't wanna be a vessel.
Aren't we more like "toys" in a driveway.... CRUNCH... OOPS! |
AXE???? |
Looks like we're "Vessels"...they got us on a technicality with 'contrivances that float'.
Legal definition of 'Vessel':
VESSEL
Every kind of water and air craft or other contrivance used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water, or on water and in the air, as well as any ship, boat, barge, or other water craft or any structure capable of floating on the water. 18 USC
I was being facetious about the 'axe' and 'bucket' ...probably should of said 'whistle' and 'flares'. Hopefully our "contrivances" are not required to carry any of that stuff. We might be "watercraft" though, technically.
Raise your hands, all of you that knew "A 'ship' can carry a 'boat'. but a 'boat' can't carry a 'ship'.
It may be that a 'watercraft' can carry a 'contrivance'. but a ....oooohhh, never mind! I would probably have to do an advanced Google search to figure that out.
Of course, with footstraps and all, I quess we could always claim, after a collision, in a court of law, that we were the "stand-on vessel".
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
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| Wed Aug 03, 11 9:31 am |
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| mattb wrote: | | As someone who has to enforce this this type of issue on the water, the rules that everyone is talking about it the Rules of the Road inland and International. Kiteboarders are considered sailing vessels in the grand scheme of vessels, so yes you do have the right of way over power driven vessels. There is plenty of legal precedence to support this. I wouldn't recommend testing this of course, cause just about everyone that has, collided with the power driven vessel. Now just keep in mind though that there is a rule called Rule 9. This says that all vessels will keep out of the way of another vessel that can only safely transit in prescribed channel. This is usually your larger cargo vessels and tugs and barges. If you do violate this a cause a incident the least of your worries is the small fine that the Coast Guard is going to issue you, and trust me $2000 is cheap compared to the legal retributions the shipping company is going to come after you with, and yes this has happened too. Long story short we do fall under these rules, and we should have a understanding of these, especially the parts regarding to sailing vessels. This is coming from someone who not only rides but has been enforcing these for some 12 years now. |
Have windsurfers ever got runned over at the hatch - how does it pan out for the different parties - in 30kts and following seas while headed east its not easy to hold a course in a powerboat if you slowdown too far
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Blokt
Since 17 Nov 2008
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Hamlin rocks, doody-root-tuders!
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| Wed Aug 03, 11 9:50 am |
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If you f.n' want to live, forfeit your right of way to anything bigger than you.
If you're brave, accept the right of way to another kiteboarder, if you don't mind being tangled with a newbie.
nuff said
David 
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scottm
Since 12 Jun 2006
108 Posts
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| Thu Aug 04, 11 9:57 am |
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The least maneuverable craft has right-of-way. On a windy day, just about everything on the water is less maneuverable than a kiter.
If it's kiter vs kiter, use standard sailing right-of-way on flat water and surfing right-of-way on waves.
Avoid a collision, even if you technically have right-of-way.
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
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| Thu Aug 04, 11 1:14 pm |
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jetski vs windsurfer (keep your head on a swivel around skiboats with tubers, jetskis, and other powered craft - boats headin up and down channel - easy to be proactive and time your tacks so you are nowhere close... )
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mattb
Since 02 Aug 2011
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| Thu Aug 04, 11 7:51 pm |
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| expressboy wrote: | | mattb wrote: | | As someone who has to enforce this this type of issue on the water, the rules that everyone is talking about it the Rules of the Road inland and International. Kiteboarders are considered sailing vessels in the grand scheme of vessels, so yes you do have the right of way over power driven vessels. There is plenty of legal precedence to support this. I wouldn't recommend testing this of course, cause just about everyone that has, collided with the power driven vessel. Now just keep in mind though that there is a rule called Rule 9. This says that all vessels will keep out of the way of another vessel that can only safely transit in prescribed channel. This is usually your larger cargo vessels and tugs and barges. If you do violate this a cause a incident the least of your worries is the small fine that the Coast Guard is going to issue you, and trust me $2000 is cheap compared to the legal retributions the shipping company is going to come after you with, and yes this has happened too. Long story short we do fall under these rules, and we should have a understanding of these, especially the parts regarding to sailing vessels. This is coming from someone who not only rides but has been enforcing these for some 12 years now. |
So how is a boat supposed to navigate up and down river through a spot on the river that is relatively narrow ( 1 mile ) with 200 boards and kites crossing at perpendicular angles to the river and actually make any headway?. As you may guess I am both a kiter and a boater. Inland rules state that a boat that is going up/down stream ( this is only inland rules ) is the stand on vessel if limited in it's ability to maneuver.. doesn't 200 objects crossing a river across the flow of traffic while moving at a high rate of speed give the boat a limited ability to maneuver?.
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You are right, this would limit your ability to maneuver but not in the way that the Inland rules are talking about. In this case the first thing that would be looked at would be your rate of speed, and if there was a case of gross negligence on the operators part. The second part would be the limited ability to maneuver which does not mean density of the traffic but to your vessels draft and how much you have to stay in the marked channel. If you only draft 4ft you will not fall under limited ability to maneuver, now if your a deep draft vessel that can only operate in the channel then yes you do have a limited ability to maneuver. But the biggest thing to remember is that in the rules is says over and over again is to take all necessary action to avoid collision and assume you are the give-way. There's a lot of stupid boaters out there, trust me it's usually those that I am dealing with, and not ones that have actually took the time to realize that just because i bought means i know how to operate it.
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