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CrazyC
Since 07 Apr 2007
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 Wed Jul 13, 11 5:13 pm Help! Did anyone recently buy a board off craigslist? |
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A week ago today I managed to leave my board at Sauvies. After posting it as lost I find it for sale on craigslist.(add listed below) I report the item as stolen to the police and they take the report and tell me to try and meet up to buy the board and they will pick it up for me. Never got that chance. Today the add is pulled off Craigslist and the seller finaly answered his phone. When I asked him if he still had the board for sale he said he sold it and hung up on me when I tried to tell him he had sold something he did not own. It would be nice to get the board back but more importantly I want this guy prosecuted for selling an item he did not own.
If anyone sees / has my board find out who sold it to them and let them know it’s my board.
At minimum call ( 503-927-4855 ) this guy who sold my board all day every day until he is forced to get a new cell number. Any other ideas on how to find out who this guy is and where he lives are welcome.
Thanks
Carl
KITE BOARD 'ocean rodeo' - $199 (nw)
Date: 2011-07-07, 8:13PM PDT
Reply to: sale-gvjz2-2482897482@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Ocean rodeo kite board
New condition with da kine bindings
$199 obo
503-927-4855
Location: nw
PostingID: 2482897482
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Justsmile
Since 20 Jul 2009
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Not Portland
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| Wed Jul 13, 11 5:34 pm left a message |
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| tried to call and got his voice mail. time to load the voice mail box up.
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corey4x4man
Since 13 Jun 2011
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| Wed Jul 13, 11 6:44 pm |
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kenja
Since 19 Jun 2008
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| Wed Jul 13, 11 7:47 pm |
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It looks like he's on tmobile, so you could also contact him via text message at 5039274855@tmomail.net . Your email address will show on his phone, so keep that in mind.
I had a guy steal my brand new board, sand off the serial number and resell it on craigslist a couple years ago. I was unable to prove it, but I suppose the bad karma will catch up with him soon enough.
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momwholovestokite
Since 30 May 2011
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| Wed Jul 13, 11 8:17 pm I didn't know |
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Thanks for posting this. I recently had to buy my board back at a garage sale in the Gorge. Had I known, I would have gone to the house with the police to get the board myself for free!
I was just glad to get it back, but now I know I have options. Sorry about your board I know how it feels. But you're right bad karma follows you where ever you go, it'll catch up to him sometime.
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 6:41 am |
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I had ALL my kite gear stolen last April up here in Tacoma WA. Through the help of this forum (mainly pdxmonkey) we saw one of the kites on an eBay listing in Spokane WA. I asked around the neighborhood and one of my neighbors had seen his super pricey graphite golf clubs listed on eBay in Spokane also.
I took the eBay ad to the Tacoma Police Dept... they could not/would not follow this lead because I did not have the serial numbers. Never recovered any of the gear.
My purpose for posting on your thread is to again warn people:
ALWAYS WRITE THE SERIAL NUMBERS (and pictures) DOWN OF YOUR GEAR, AND SAVE IT. This also applies to that nice new hi-def flat screen TV you purchased last week.
I now keep pictures and serial numbers on a secure cloud storage folder like gmail
More recently... a sophisticated home burglary gang was busted here in Tacoma a few weeks ago. 272 flat screen TVs stolen in 2011 alone!
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saleeba
Since 05 Mar 2006
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Masshole
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 8:00 am |
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| just sent a text message and got an auto reply stating that my phone was being recorded by the portland police. sounds like the dudes beginning to panic.
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CrazyC
Since 07 Apr 2007
174 Posts
P Town
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 8:35 am |
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Thanks everyone. KEEP CALLING AND TEXTING THIS GUY! Let him know he can return the board to the Portland police case # 11-58243 anonymously and this will all stop. I know for a fact that the Police will not do anything if you keep calling him. Keep it up.
Thanks for the help.
Carl
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boardrider
Since 05 Apr 2006
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Ventura, CA
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 9:46 am |
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| That sucks Carl - Hope you get the board back ..
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CrazyC
Since 07 Apr 2007
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 12:16 pm |
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Poor guy feels he is being harassed. Keep calling him. Let him know that you understand that he made a mistake and didn’t know that selling a board you don’t own is stealing, but now the right thing to do is return the board.
I love power in numbers. Please keep texting and calling him.
As far as his BS about his harassment case it’s just that BS. Keep texting and calling him until he returns the board.
Thanks
Carl
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sirmichaelo
Since 26 Mar 2010
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Maui
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 12:34 pm |
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| wylieflyote wrote: |
ALWAYS WRITE THE SERIAL NUMBERS (and pictures) DOWN OF YOUR GEAR, AND SAVE IT. |
Do kites have serial numbers on them? Do the bars too?
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 3:32 pm |
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| sirmichaelo wrote: | | wylieflyote wrote: |
ALWAYS WRITE THE SERIAL NUMBERS (and pictures) DOWN OF YOUR GEAR, AND SAVE IT. |
Do kites have serial numbers on them? Do the bars too? |
Bars? probably not
Kites? Naish kites do, located next to the pump leash attachment:
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ldhr
Since 21 Jul 2009
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 3:43 pm Re: Help! Did anyone recently buy a board off craigslist? |
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| CrazyC wrote: | | A week ago today I managed to leave my board at Sauvies. |
Maritime law - abandoned vessels are finders keepers.
The “Law of Finds” is an ancient principle of Maritime law that evolved from the era when nature still provided many valuable items. Such items may have included the whale or ambergris referred to above. Having come from nature, they would never have been owned by man. Therefore, the first finder to claim ownership is the “keeper.” Manmade property, however, poses a problem under the Law of Finds. This is because the person who lost the property would probably want it back if he knew it had been found. Therefore, it must be determined whether the owner has expressly abandoned the property. If the property was abandoned, then the Law of Finds treats the property as if it has reverted to its natural state. In its natural state, the item is subject to the same “finders-keepers” rule as the whale and the ambergris. However, if the owner has not abandoned his property, then the finder’s only option may be to assert a claim for a reward under the general principles of salvage law.
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 5:42 pm Re: Help! Did anyone recently buy a board off craigslist? |
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| ldhr wrote: | | CrazyC wrote: | | A week ago today I managed to leave my board at Sauvies. |
Maritime law - abandoned vessels are finders keepers.
The “Law of Finds” is an ancient principle of Maritime law that evolved from the era when nature still provided many valuable items. Such items may have included the whale or ambergris referred to above. Having come from nature, they would never have been owned by man. Therefore, the first finder to claim ownership is the “keeper.” Manmade property, however, poses a problem under the Law of Finds. This is because the person who lost the property would probably want it back if he knew it had been found. Therefore, it must be determined whether the owner has expressly abandoned the property. If the property was abandoned, then the Law of Finds treats the property as if it has reverted to its natural state. In its natural state, the item is subject to the same “finders-keepers” rule as the whale and the ambergris. However, if the owner has not abandoned his property, then the finder’s only option may be to assert a claim for a reward under the general principles of salvage law. |
I'm pretty sure maritime law only applies to mean lower low water ,
so kinda depends where he left it
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Justsmile
Since 20 Jul 2009
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 6:36 pm Re: Help! Did anyone recently buy a board off craigslist? |
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sounds like another thief trying to rationalize their actions!!! Dont walk away from something; it might be time for finders keepers!!!!!!!!!!! bahhhhhhhhhh
i am sure you are far from this but why waste the time to type it and rationalize someone elses loss!!!
maritime law does not apply to scum bag thieves!!!!!!!!
| ldhr wrote: | | CrazyC wrote: | | A week ago today I managed to leave my board at Sauvies. |
Maritime law - abandoned vessels are finders keepers.
The “Law of Finds” is an ancient principle of Maritime law that evolved from the era when nature still provided many valuable items. Such items may have included the whale or ambergris referred to above. Having come from nature, they would never have been owned by man. Therefore, the first finder to claim ownership is the “keeper.” Manmade property, however, poses a problem under the Law of Finds. This is because the person who lost the property would probably want it back if he knew it had been found. Therefore, it must be determined whether the owner has expressly abandoned the property. If the property was abandoned, then the Law of Finds treats the property as if it has reverted to its natural state. In its natural state, the item is subject to the same “finders-keepers” rule as the whale and the ambergris. However, if the owner has not abandoned his property, then the finder’s only option may be to assert a claim for a reward under the general principles of salvage law. |
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boardrider
Since 05 Apr 2006
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 9:08 pm OR law |
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Find the guy & take him to small claims court . Is his name on his phone ?
Here's the law in OR :
What he should have done if he found it, and didn't outright steal it :
8.005. Responsibilities of finders of money or goods
(Refs & Annos) Currentness
(1) If any person finds money or goods valued at $100 or more, and if the owner of the money or goods is unknown, such person, within 10 days after the date of the finding, shall give notice of the finding in writing to the county clerk of the county in which the money or goods was found. Within 20 days after the date of the finding, the finder of the money or goods shall cause to be published in a newspaper of general circulation in the county a notice of the finding once each week for two consecutive weeks. Each such notice shall state the general description of the money or goods found, the name and address of the finder and final date before which such goods may be claimed.
(2) If no person appears and establishes ownership of the money or goods prior to the expiration of three months after the date of the notice to the county clerk under subsection (1) of this section, the finder shall be the owner of the money or goods.
Your rights:
98.025. Owner's rights
(Refs & Annos) Currentness
If an owner of money or goods found by another person appears and establishes a claim to such money or goods within the time period prescribed by ORS 98.005 or 98.015, whichever applies, the owner shall have restitution of such money or goods or their value upon payment of all costs and charges incurred in the finding, giving of notice, care and custody of such money or goods.
Criminal liability:
O.R.S. § 164.065
164.065. Theft of lost, mislaid, or misdelivered property
Currentness
A person who comes into control of property of another that the person knows or has good reason to know to have been lost, mislaid or delivered under a mistake as to the nature or amount of the property or the identity of the recipient, commits theft if, with intent to deprive the owner thereof, the person fails to take reasonable measures to restore the property to the owner.
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Thu Jul 14, 11 9:33 pm |
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maritime salvage for ocean/coastal is different from inland waters...
No person shall remove or convert to his own use or possession any salvage from any beach within the regulated area without first having obtained a permit to do so from the Parks and Recreation Department, and no removal shall be permitted, except in strict accordance with the terms of a permit.
(2) These prohibitions do not apply to the collection of common flotsam for personal use, such as glass floats, length of rope or cable of less than 100 feet, and other minor objects commonly picked up by beach users as an incident to their recreational use of the ocean shore. However, when such objects are attached to salvage, such as fixtures on a vessel hull or objects that were apparently packaged or crated in such a manner that they constitute valuable cargo or property of another, the foregoing prohibitions are applicable.
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