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Campbell

Since 07 Sep 2008
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Camas, WA
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 6:51 am    Strapless Reply with quote

For those with strapless skills, would you mind posting your thoughts on the best way to learn to ride a surfboard strapless? I bought one, have ridden it with straps, but am a little daunted by going out in the gorge this spring without them.

I tried a light wind day at the ponds, but I'm thinking I probably want more power at least when I'm first getting the hang of it initially. Even getting up and riding in light winds that day was very difficult, but obviously my skill set was probably the primary factor there.

My strategy is to go to the coast as the place to hone my skills rather than the gorge intially, but if you have ideas on techniques/best practice I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

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barfly

Since 31 Mar 2005
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Portland
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 7:00 am     Reply with quote

All kinds of ways to go. If you're in the Portland area this summer, Sauvie-skimboard-big kite. Seems like most things you learn, it will take some frustration and effort before it comes around.

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Mize

Since 28 Mar 2011
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 8:47 am    You could try my approach? Reply with quote

I do not have any experience to back this... I bought a Kite and a Wakeskate and never plan on strapping in, I will let you know how it goes...

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MKHR

Since 28 Aug 2007
116 Posts
Hood River
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 9:27 am     Reply with quote

Not sure if this will help, but last year, I rode with the back foot strap removed (front strap mounted). It really helped experimenting with moving my back foot around on the board. Made for much easier jibes.

Anyway, you might try a few sessions with that configuration before going full strappless?

There are a few good videos on vimeo for strapless 101:
http://vimeo.com/search/videos/search:strapless%20101/88cd5be9

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MKHR

Since 28 Aug 2007
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Hood River
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 9:29 am     Reply with quote

Vimeo link in my previous post was broken.

Goto vimeo and type in "strapless 101" in the search window. You will see two links to videos
1. Strapless kitesurfing 101: The Basics
2. Strapless Kitesurfing 103: The duck Tack

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jsj

Since 11 Sep 2006
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Hood River
 



PostTue Apr 05, 11 9:45 am     Reply with quote

Go out with less kite than you would otherwise, this puts you more solidly on the board. Once you are up and planing you don't need the extra anyway... I'm always a few sizes further down than anybody around.

The previous post about eliminating the rear strap is risky - think about knee damage from twisting as you crash.

Recognize that even if you are in the water a lot more at first, the board is going to blow downwind much more than a twin tip so unless you are in ferocious current it will still be super easy to get to.

Wear a helmet for a while; particularly in high winds as a surfboard is waaaay more likely to be picked up by the wind (and blown into you, fins first).

Finally, any board is going to be more challenging in swell - ride the event site or Stevenson for a while. You'll get bored pretty quick, so then you can work powered transitions in swell and the fun begins...

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Wind Slither

Since 04 Mar 2005
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The 503
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 10:00 am     Reply with quote

Not sure I agree with the "less kite" approach...having to manage an underpowered kite is not going to help your footwork. I say you just go for it on a nice steady day in flat water...there's really not much to it until you start talking bigger swell/waves/gusty wind.

I also think a bigger size surfboard is much easier than a finless skim board..

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rich

Since 30 Nov 2005
306 Posts
portland
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 10:11 am     Reply with quote

i think you'll find its not that hard. im not great at it, but it was pretty easy and a combo of frustration and lots of fun to get going and get the tack.

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FlyDunes

Since 09 Oct 2007
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 10:41 am     Reply with quote

jsj wrote:
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The previous post about eliminating the rear strap is risky - think about knee damage from twisting as you crash.

...


I strongly agree with the above statement. I'm essentially a semi-gimp for the rest of my life due to just what JSJ has described above. I'm old enough though so that "the rest of my life" isn't as long as it sounds Smile.

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Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 10:50 am     Reply with quote

take the staps off and ride every condition possible - the nastier the better
if you fall off every turn - who cares - you'll figure it out

work on making nice powered carves - be a master of body dragging - try taking the middle fin out (if you got a thruster) and try to slide the board around shuvit style (think that was my first successful turns)

grab your friend's board - a skimmy - a log - a cafeteria tray

all are good Thumb's Up

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Mize

Since 28 Mar 2011
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 11:09 am     Reply with quote

Eventually straps will be like Roller Blades... You get the point...

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beech

Since 21 Aug 2010
485 Posts
Longview, WA
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 11:45 am     Reply with quote

FlyDunes wrote:
jsj wrote:
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The previous post about eliminating the rear strap is risky - think about knee damage from twisting as you crash.

...


I strongly agree with the above statement. I'm essentially a semi-gimp for the rest of my life due to just what JSJ has described above. I'm old enough though so that "the rest of my life" isn't as long as it sounds Smile.


Hmmm, sans rear strap is what I was going to try this season. I never kited on a surfboard before but I plan on getting out on flatwater first to learn. Definitely want to minimize risk of gimp scenario. (I was there a few years ago). I suppose the knee torquage could occur even with two straps if your foot came out of only one in a crash. But the one strap method probly ups the risk.

Maybe I should just try strapless right off the bat. Jibing with 2 straps seems like a pain in the a$$ anyhow.

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foghater

Since 31 Aug 2008
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 2:50 pm     Reply with quote

I have a totally different take on this

This is a subject I think alot about. Im a life long surfer and only kite with surfboards. I can ride strappless and it is defenetly more challenging but I dont find any real advantage or added enjoyment.

In fact if anything It limits you in many ways.

You cant boost over big close outs
You cant go as vertical off the lip or hit it as hard as with straps. ( few ,very few exceptions)
Youll lose your board alot ( I dont care who you are and if you dont your probably just cruising)
and in Oregon that usually means retrieving for half your sesh
In general you have to ride very cautiously akin to surfing wo a leash.

Do tow surfers ever go strappless? or wakeboarders? Windurfers?

Where as its fun to mix it up.. the whole strapless thing really seems like an ego driven fad. "Look Im cool I can ride stappless."

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Pepi

Since 16 Jun 2006
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 2:54 pm     Reply with quote

Quote:
stop riding your kite.
start riding your board.
the rest is progression.


Well said. The amazing thing about riding strapless is you start to really learn to RIDE your board, also you begin to realize just how much more range both over and under powered you have riding strapless.

Riding strapless I now treat my kite like driving stickshift sports car. Way more aggressively and mainly to suit my power needs for jumping, turning, transitions and going upwind.

Just start riding without your straps. I preferred to ride fully powered, and riding with the kite a bit lower, which in turn provides much more downward pressure onto your board. In turn, you then also learn a lot more about how much more control you have over your kite just by using the rail/fins of your board.

Time on the water + more wipeouts = Progression

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Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
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Portland
Unstrapped



PostTue Apr 05, 11 3:09 pm     Reply with quote

foghater wrote:
I have a totally different take on this

This is a subject I think alot about. Im a life long surfer and only kite with surfboards. I can ride strappless and it is defenetly more challenging but I dont find any real advantage or added enjoyment.

In fact if anything It limits you in many ways.

You cant boost over big close outs
You cant go as vertical off the lip or hit it as hard as with straps. ( few ,very few exceptions)
Youll lose your board alot ( I dont care who you are and if you dont your probably just cruising)
and in Oregon that usually means retrieving for half your sesh
In general you have to ride very cautiously akin to surfing wo a leash.

Do tow surfers ever go strappless? or wakeboarders? Windurfers?

Where as its fun to mix it up.. the whole strapless thing really seems like an ego driven fad. "Look Im cool I can ride stappless."



can't argue with the ego thing but dont you tow in strapless Smile

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holly

Since 09 Jul 2006
440 Posts
Hood River
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PostTue Apr 05, 11 4:01 pm     Reply with quote

dude the only way you will get good at it is by doing it. we all started somewhere.. there is no science to it! I started one day in spi, when i didn't have enough power for my twin, and since haven't looked back. you will figure out what combos (kite size + board) work for you.. just keep at it, and its good to fall..means your learning!

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foghater

Since 31 Aug 2008
135 Posts

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PostTue Apr 05, 11 5:13 pm     Reply with quote

yeah G man We have ocasionally gone strapless towing but only because it was mellow and glassy and my tow partner is goofy foot and having to switch straps is a bitch.

Usually theres a bit of bump or chop( like kiting) and having the straps saves your ass.

I just think that doing something just because its challenging seems like work and if your not gaining a huge advantage .....why?

To each its own.. I guess

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