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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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 Thu May 06, 10 11:06 am |
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| I hear there is an opening on the school board in Hood River if anyone wants to put their time where their mouth is. |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Thu May 06, 10 11:14 am |
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For the record, the odds are against the house when playing blackjack. So yeah, while lottery tickets, scratch its, and slots are definitely a form of tax for those that don't understand the law of probabilities. You do win money playing blackjack if you know what to do when. Its not really "gaming" but more grinding and playing enough to let the law of probability come out on your side.
Education...phew, don't get me started. My favorite line "I don't have kids, why should I pay for schools". I hope everyone of those people gets there car stereo stolen by some derelict kid with no future. Even though schools are a problem, I think one can shift a good amount of the blame to parents. |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Thu May 06, 10 11:41 am |
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| I used to think the whole tenure v. performance issue was the issue worth tackling, but after talking about the issue with a couple teachers it's clear to me that the tenure issue is tiny compared to the PARENT issue. The parent issue resembles the loose dogs at kite beaches issue... |
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pacifichigh
Since 11 May 2005
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| Thu May 06, 10 11:46 am |
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Tx & Oregon are truly opposing sides of the spectrum and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Business and $$ def are not everything, but as they say "A rising tide raises all boats"
A healthy economy leads to a better schools & opportunities. |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Thu May 06, 10 4:27 pm |
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| pacifichigh wrote: | Tx & Oregon are truly opposing sides of the spectrum and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Business and $$ def are not everything, but as they say "A rising tide raises all boats"
A healthy economy leads to a better schools & opportunities. |
Its definately a balancing act.
One way of looking at this situation - we should not exist for the benefit of the corporations, but corporations should exist to benefit people. A corporation is nothing but a bunch of papers filed in some clerks office - it has no independent identity. Sometimes people lose sight of why we do things.
Now try and find a way to balance the two 
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Thu May 06, 10 4:35 pm |
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| Forrest wrote: | | I used to think the whole tenure v. performance issue was the issue worth tackling, but after talking about the issue with a couple teachers it's clear to me that the tenure issue is tiny compared to the PARENT issue. The parent issue resembles the loose dogs at kite beaches issue... |
Forrest - I agree that kids are the way they mostly because of their parents. However, there are many other factors.
Many of these kids are already starting behind the eight ball with shitty parents - and now add on top of the fact that they attend some shitty school with teachers that are over-stressed and underpaid and administration that pretty much hates them because they see them as an impediment to their daily workload. For every adversity that is piled on top of these kids - the more of them will fail in life.
If you look at studies of kids who have overcome their shitty pasts - there are statistically several things they share in common. Both parents is a huge factor (however, most of them only have one parent). If there is one parent - then a parent that is a very strong authority figure. That is one of the biggest determining factors. In addition, teachers. Teachers play a huge role in helping these kids out. If you talk to adults who have overcome a poor socio-economic background many of them will point to one or more teachers who believed in them - supported them - who encouraged them and told them that they had what it took to succeed.
Its unfortunate that many teachers have this burden - it really shouldn't be their burden - but to go and change people's parenting?? Not exactly sure how that is going to get done. But what can get done - is giving teachers the necessary resources to let them do what many of them came there to do - to educate and help. It would make a difference in many people's lives.
Oh, and I don't think I should have to pay for monkey's kids education - and if he tries stealing my stereo I'm putting the smack down (on monkey - not the kid) 
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Sasquatch
Since 09 Mar 2005
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| Thu May 06, 10 4:46 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | | Even though schools are a problem, I think one can shift a good amount of the blame to parents. |
"The apple 'often doesn't' fall far from the tree." Parenting takes a tremendous amount of effort and resources.
Any adult, that is fertile, can do the three pump and dump and make a kid and be called a Father or a Mother. But it takes lots of effort to be a parent and raise a kid/s properly. SO HATS off to all you parents who give a hoot. Put their kids first, make the extra effort, etc. etc. It isn't an easy endeavor.
As for another Casino:
Last time I checked public cansino P/L statements, it didn't look too rosey. Simply Econ, supply and demand. . .there are enough casinos already. If you want to gamble and have fun, do it right, go to Vegas--IMHO.
A rising tide may raise all boats, but it also brings some unwanted and undiserable floatsom and jetsom.
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DROCK999
Since 31 May 2007
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| Thu May 06, 10 4:51 pm |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: |
Anywho.... Yeah, native americans don't pay taxes..big fucking deal. Name one original US treaty with the natives that we have honored as a country? Seriously, name me one. They don't pay taxes because many are sovereign nations.
I think the biggest beef people have with the Casino is that they want to PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NATIONAL SCENIC AREA !!!! Hello!! Put that shit in the middle of the desert or next to the highway where it belongs.
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No kidding, I would say that the gov't has taken enough from the Native Americans. Just watch the 30 Days episode where morgan spurlock goes and lives on the Navajo reservation, it's like Mexico.
And as far as a casino goes, put it in Rufus or Arlington.
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Fri May 07, 10 7:30 am |
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I fit the description in your second paragraph. I was from a poor economic background with one parent who was an absolute tyrant. I made it out and am doing pretty well. The rest of my siblings are still poor and never can seem to get it together.
You change the parents before they become parents:
-More education in the middle school timeframe about the hardships of kids and responsibilities of being a mother/father.
-Condoms available at school along with education on how to use them, cause kids are going to fuck no matter how hard you try to stop them. Mom walking in on ya at least stops it temporarily, haha!
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Forrest - I agree that kids are the way they mostly because of their parents. However, there are many other factors.
Many of these kids are already starting behind the eight ball with shitty parents - and now add on top of the fact that they attend some shitty school with teachers that are over-stressed and underpaid and administration that pretty much hates them because they see them as an impediment to their daily workload. For every adversity that is piled on top of these kids - the more of them will fail in life.
If you look at studies of kids who have overcome their shitty pasts - there are statistically several things they share in common. Both parents is a huge factor (however, most of them only have one parent). If there is one parent - then a parent that is a very strong authority figure. That is one of the biggest determining factors. In addition, teachers. Teachers play a huge role in helping these kids out. If you talk to adults who have overcome a poor socio-economic background many of them will point to one or more teachers who believed in them - supported them - who encouraged them and told them that they had what it took to succeed.
Its unfortunate that many teachers have this burden - it really shouldn't be their burden - but to go and change people's parenting?? Not exactly sure how that is going to get done. But what can get done - is giving teachers the necessary resources to let them do what many of them came there to do - to educate and help. It would make a difference in many people's lives.
Oh, and I don't think I should have to pay for monkey's kids education - and if he tries stealing my stereo I'm putting the smack down (on monkey - not the kid) |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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| Fri May 07, 10 8:16 am |
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| Just thought about my post. I guess the burden performing my recommendations falls with the Teachers... Oh well, I don't really care anyway it's Friday! Ahaha! |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Fri May 07, 10 9:58 am |
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Moto... I love your paragraph about how important the teachers are....followed by a statement that you don't want to pay taxes for teachers.... Classic dude.
Single people seem to forget that yes, even they were children once that had to be fed, clothed, and put through school. It's not rock science yet there are allot of fucked up parents out there for sure. Its that classic viscous "love line" cycle. Shitty fucked up abused kids crow up to become shitty fucked up abusers. Pretty weird how powerful human emotions can be and how they shape your adult perceptions about life and relationships.
If you have never watched the movie pursuit of happiness you should check it out. |
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Tony
Since 28 Aug 2006
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| Fri May 07, 10 10:29 am |
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I'm not so sure what the big deal is over a casino....
The tribal members from warm springs need jobs.
How many of you guys ever spend time in the reservation.
They aint got shit!!! We got got BMW's in our drive way, big ass flat screens on our walls
and we complain over meaning-less crap.
I don't buy none of that "scenic destruction stuff"....
Since the eastern gorge is already fu**'d up with them stupid wind mills everywhere.
The decision over the casino has to do with "what's in it for me?".......$$$$ |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Fri May 07, 10 10:48 am |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Moto... I love your paragraph about how important the teachers are....followed by a statement that you don't want to pay taxes for teachers.... Classic dude.
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Monkey, it was a joke 
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