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K4L

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PostThu Mar 18, 10 5:04 pm    2010 CGKA DEMO DAY !??? Reply with quote

Were you guys able to get the issues resolved last year by chance or are we on our own again?

Demo day is sure nice as far as geting several different brands demo'd at one time, especially for those not living where they can kite whenever it is blowing.

If not an "official CGKA sanctioned Demo Day" what about an unofficial demo opportunity where several "brands" just happen to be on the beach at the same day offering Demo's???

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Bettyboarder

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PostThu Mar 18, 10 5:37 pm     Reply with quote

There's something coming we'll keep you posted...next meeting 2nd Friday in April we are talking about Events for the summer.

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Pepi

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PostThu Mar 18, 10 10:59 pm     Reply with quote

Just to add, there typically is a lot of logistics to organizing an event such as this and lots of red tape.
Last year we had the issue of obtaining adequate insurance, which we obtained, and trying to locate enough volunteers to help with the set up, but then were also informed by the Port of Hood River that we had to receive signed permission from each of the kite schools (whether they were on the sandbar or not) before the Port would consider our demo event permit (which did not exactly work out).

As Nicole mentioned, we are discussing this event at the next meeting, but it is still totally a 50/50 on whether we will run the event or not.
There also has been some discontent from brands and businesses about non-locally sold brands coming to town and then selling demo kites on the beach.
This may lead to a rule only allowing brands at the demo that are sold via local retail kite businesses. It makes sense and allows for a more manageable event.

If you are in support of a demo day event and want to volunteer, then you should make a point of contacting the CGKA or coming to the next meeting to show your support and volunteer yourself as a helper to make this happen.

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apctjb

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PostFri Mar 19, 10 5:11 pm     Reply with quote

Stopped by the Pismo Beach KiteExpo today. Great event, good vibes, nice location the only bummer was no wind but still had a good time. Seems like a great way for manufacturers to show thier gear and get feedback from regular riders. Would be nice to see something similar in HR!

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K4L

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PostFri Mar 19, 10 5:54 pm     Reply with quote

Pepi wrote:

There also has been some discontent from brands and businesses about non-locally sold brands coming to town and then selling demo kites on the beach.
This may lead to a rule only allowing brands at the demo that are sold via local retail kite businesses. It makes sense and allows for a more manageable event.



Pepi



Cant we all just get along??
Instead of going brand vs. brand on us Lets share the Stoke EH?
I dont give a SHI# what brand you carry if it has good performance and a fair price, If "locally sold kites" cant do that shame on them. If they can AWESOME!
Proof is in the pudding as they say, that is the whole purpose of a Demo day IMHO, regardless of where they sell from.

I guess I should take the comment with a grain of salt seeing as it is one of the "local shops" making the comment and I will go out on a limb and "assume" that said comment is not the general opinion of the CGKA

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Pepi

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PostFri Mar 19, 10 8:26 pm     Reply with quote

K4L wrote:

Cant we all just get along??
Instead of going brand vs. brand on us Lets share the Stoke EH?
I dont give a SHI# what brand you carry if it has good performance and a fair price, If "locally sold kites" cant do that shame on them. If they can AWESOME!
Proof is in the pudding as they say, that is the whole purpose of a Demo day IMHO, regardless of where they sell from.

I guess I should take the comment with a grain of salt seeing as it is one of the "local shops" making the comment and I will go out on a limb and "assume" that said comment is not the general opinion of the CGKA


The original idea was not mine, but I wholeheartedly support it. It is the opinion of all the local retailers, the locally supported brands and a good margin of the CGKA.

The whole idea of a locally run demo event created/hosted by a local kite organization, supported by local dealers/vendors, and put on for local kiters, is to help promote local relationships between the brand, retailer and customer.
By bringing in non-locally sold brands, the whole point of this being a local promotion event is thrown out the door when the buyer then has to make their purchase online from another State or Country.
Yes this can be taken as narrow minded or not inclusive, but the goal of the event is not to see how many brands can attend the event, it is to allow local kiters and retailers to host a kite demo event with proper insurance coverage and legal permitting. (it is not possible for retail kite shops to actually demo kites due to insurance liability issues).

The Pismo demo is a different sort of event in that there are only one or maybe two local shops involved, but it is organized and run by a kiteboard magazine publication. The magazine takes on the costs of insuring, permitting, promoting, organizing and running the event. Not to take anything away from the event, but it is a very different event than what we (the CGKA) have the ability and intentions to pull off.

If we were to have a kite magazine company come in to Hood River to take on organizing an event of this proportion, then it is by all means a 'fair game' event for any and all paying brands to attend, absolutely. This would not be a local event, focussed on supporting the local community. It would just be a big demo event.

I know that this can and will likely be taken out of context, but it's best to be honest and clear on this subject.
Organizing a kite demo is very labor intensive and organizationally challenging.

Let's see what transpires at the next CGKA meeting and then go from there.
Maybe all of a sudden we'll get a ton of volunteers and a sponsor who will foot the bill! Then we'd be rolling and everyone can get their wish.

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forrest

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PostFri Mar 19, 10 8:29 pm     Reply with quote

K4L, There is a lot to it dude, it's not just as simple as getting all the brands out there and what not. None of the brands really benefited from the format we did two seasons ago. A few brands sold some kites at the beach, but that was it. Before you start thinking "F that who cares that the brands didn't do well" you have to think about who footed the bill. The brands footed the bill and those brands are going to dictate how the event goes in the future... Unless you want to pay for it??? I mean, if you wanted to pay for it I say lets bring them all back!

I know this may sound all f'd up but this is how it is! If you don't like it then you should probably run for CGKA board of directors. We could use people who care about issues that face kiteboarders.

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K4L

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PostSat Mar 20, 10 8:19 am     Reply with quote

OK, I can understand where you guys are coming from.

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PostSat Mar 20, 10 10:13 am     Reply with quote

K4L wrote:
OK, I can understand where you guys are coming from.


In all seriousness, if you have ever thought about it, please feel welcomed to attend the next CGKA meeting.
All CGKA Board of Directors meetings are open to the public for general discussions and comments for the first 15-20min (or however much time is needed) before the meeting is then closed off for BOD only.

Some of our best ideas have resulted from general members just coming to the first part of the meeting and sharing their thoughts, observations and ideas for what could make our local kite spots more accessible, safer and more user friendly.

All comments are appreciated, whether we agree with them or not and whether they are beneficial or not.

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apctjb

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PostSat Mar 20, 10 10:58 am     Reply with quote

Is AWSI holding its expo in HR again this year? Perhaps they would consider expanding the demo to include the general public for a day making this much more of a Pismo like event. FYI did not appear to be any direct selling going on at Pismo, just manufacturers showing off thier gear and sharing the stoke..

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K4L

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PostSat Mar 20, 10 12:22 pm     Reply with quote

Pepi wrote:

In all seriousness, if you have ever thought about it, please feel welcomed to attend the next CGKA meeting.
All CGKA Board of Directors meetings are open to the public for general discussions and comments for the first 15-20min (or however much time is needed) before the meeting is then closed off for BOD only.

Some of our best ideas have resulted from general members just coming to the first part of the meeting and sharing their thoughts, observations and ideas for what could make our local kite spots more accessible, safer and more user friendly.

All comments are appreciated, whether we agree with them or not and whether they are beneficial or not.


If I wasnt over 2 hours away I certainly would try to be more involved

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PostSun Mar 21, 10 2:00 pm     Reply with quote

kiteboarding demo events are an amazing and generally awesome experience, and so far better than any 'demo events' of other sports i have personally experienced.

if you enjoy the the freedom to fly and experience all kinds of kites and boards and thereby improve your understanding of kiting and have a great time, then ATTEND EVENTS. that is what will keep this happening, and maintain the motivation to work through the issues. cause there are definitely issues when it comes to making an event.

how about a list of top 10 events. (or whatever is your favorite), you dont have to pick the one i'm thinking about, i'm just curious.

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marina

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PostMon Mar 22, 10 8:00 am     Reply with quote

There was no selling at Pismo. Any selling other than previous approved items (we sold event t-shirts, mags, calendars, misc smaller items but NO kites, boards or accessories) that is discovered by event organizers results in no invitation for offending vendor for following year.

this will also be a stipulation in La Ventana unless we can figure out a way to honor the local business community, brands and retailers.

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Windance Crew

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PostMon Mar 22, 10 12:51 pm     Reply with quote

Time for me to throw my 2 cents in.

As another local retailer I am up for as many kite events as we can do in a year. Organizing these events the right way is a big job and no one gets paid for it. I am stoked the CGKA is trying and hope the Port and others give us the thumbs up.

As for what brands can attend if you include all the brands that are sold in town you are at 8-10, plenty enough to choose a good kite from. However please understand how frustrating it can be for a shop to put their time behind a demo if a very small brand comes in and sells kites out of the back of their truck, it happens.

I will support the CGKA and their members decisions either way, let's just git'r done. Let me know what I can do.

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PostMon Mar 22, 10 3:14 pm     Reply with quote

Marina;

Great job with the Pismo Expo; despite the lack of wind it was a fun time; great vendors and all around good vibe. Hope it works out well for the vendors that attended.

Kuddos to TKB magizine for sponsoring the event.

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marina

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PostTue Mar 23, 10 6:49 am     Reply with quote

thanks for the props but couldn't do it without Kinsley from Xtreme Big Air (founder of the event), his wife Jamie and great family as well as the collegiate clubs from Cal Poly and Santa Barbara:-)

Despite lack of wind, 110 kiters did register with many more not bothering unless they saw whitecaps! Next year, if we decide to continue this event, we will have some no wind 'entertainment' similar to the event in La Ventana and possibly a trainer kite area for newbies from HQ kites.

Someone pointed out that if you want events, then attend them. This is so true and is one of the problems with Pismo. Because it is a free event where people can drive to (3.5 hours from both LA and SF areas), riders often wait until the day before the event for the forecast to decide if they are coming or not. Don't blame people for this but its a catch 22 situation.

Of course the wind came back in full force the day AFTER the event with wind forecast all week! Liquid Force, F.one, Firewire, Wainman HI and SU-2 boards (repped by Bonetti) stayed on and had a great demo with locals and a handful of stranglers who stayed over for the wind.

All vendors were very cooperative at PIsmo re: NOT SELLING. What also helped us enforce this policy this year was we moved the event a bit south and had to deal with state parks instead of the city. Our contract stated that no vendor sales would happen and if caught, could result in criminal action, expulsion from the event and possible cancellation of the event. Everybody took the policy much more seriously this year and all knew that others vendors would be on the lookout for this activity so I suggest that CGKA does this as well with their contract with the port. Not sure if I mentioned it in previous post but if anyway was found to be selling, it was clear that they would not be invited to either PIsmo or La Ventana the following year.

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forrest

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PostTue Mar 23, 10 9:06 am     Reply with quote

Thanks Marina.

FYI for everyone:

Selling kites isn't the biggest challenge honestly. It really is just a question of volunteer man power to make this event happen. First and foremost, the CGKA's goal is to obtain, preserve, and improve access. Events come second.

In the past we've had a strong board of directors that saw events as a great way to move the CGKA forward. Now that we've slimmed down to a core group and brought on some new directors who are just ramping up, we've all agreed to focus on access issues first and foremost. If we have the spare man power, or someone feels really passionate about an event, then we'll dedicate resources towards it.

You don't have to be a director to run an event on the CGKA's behalf. If you're interested in running this demo day, please don't hesitate to let us know.

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