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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | | I mean, what the hell does my TV need to consume power when I'm not watching it? |
Because it's not battery powered. If it was, like an iPhone for instance, companies like Maxim and TI (who make HDTV chips) would be hiring power engineers (like Apple and Palm and Motorola are) to figure out how to minimize those drains (so consumers don't bitch about how often they have to charge it). Instead they're hiring systems and signal processing engineers (preferably in Bangalore or Hyberadad) to figure out how to maximize the audio and video capabilities with increasing chip density (i.e. increasing power/heat dissipation). Since embedded Linux takes a while to boot (and you want to watch that new Hadlow or Len10 video NOW!) the chips are kept fairly well juiced up. They're also designed without segregated power domains unlike mobile chips, because that logic costs gates which can be used for video quality improvements.
Hey, you asked. 
P.S. If you know anyone with experience leading audio/video signal processing teams let me know.
P.P.S. Strapless et al, I didn't mean to imply conservation was a complete solution, just an under-emphasized factor. As a society we shy away from anything requiring conscious effort until the problem becomes a 'crisis' (i.e. suddenly costs a bunch of money), then we jump on the bandwagon until it passes fancy (i.e. gets cheaper again as demand subsides). By the way, this behavior is so predictable it makes for lucrative investment models. (Money IS the tool by which human behavior is dictated, most often by government).
P.P.P.S. I wonder when Google's gonna open their own power plants?
Ever stop to think about how much energy your web searches cost? |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | Hmmm I can't quite decide which I would rather have in my backyard a wind turbine, a nuclear power facility (umm, yeah no downsides to that technology  ) or a coal fired power plant? Yeah, turbines are not friendly to birds (boy of boy they REALLY fuck up bats) (they turn them inside out!!!) but at least they don't have the potential to mutate your genes or pollute the air you breath.
Energy conservation is PART of the answer but not the entire answer as all the same dipshits that rail on something as win win as a wind turbine rail on the no- brainer energy conservation measures, sometimes just for the sake of not wanting to change.
So now please feel free to bitch about compact fluorescent light bulbs, smart thermostats, air tight light fixtures, smart grid technology and low flow shower heads.
Luckily enough for the human race, these decisions are not being made by people that categorize nuclear power as a "clean energy" source. |
Well with you posting so much less now I think we could drop plans for at least one nuker , 
The way I get it there are 34 nukes on the drawing board and in the works in the U.S.
Being green for the sake of conservation instead of to be in style will be the real answer ,that will happen when we start thinking of the dollars as carbon based . Every dollar spent is doing something to the planet ,so please drop yer plans for the non essential home theater   |
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cosmodog
Since 06 Oct 2005
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 8:27 am |
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| My take is that we need to do it all - efficiency, solar roofs, wind and nuke. From what I have read, the new wind turbines are much larger, turn slower and kill far fewer birds. Also, from experience I don't want a nuke plant in my back yard. In college I worked for B&W which built Three-Mile Island. I was assigned to look at the video tapes of the melted core to try and map out what was left - there was alot more damage then they publicized at the time. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 8:52 am |
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| cosmodog wrote: | | My take is that we need to do it all - efficiency, solar roofs, wind and nuke. From what I have read, the new wind turbines are much larger, turn slower and kill far fewer birds. Also, from experience I don't want a nuke plant in my back yard. In college I worked for B&W which built Three-Mile Island. I was assigned to look at the video tapes of the melted core to try and map out what was left - there was alot more damage then they publicized at the time. |
Is your opinion that the accident could have escaped the containment?
Hard to imagine the helicopter pilots dumping concrete on the russian meltdown
state of mind.
Would agree that it will take it all ,
if they killed a few crows and geese
that would be ok by me 
But when the middle east can turn on the cheap carbon at anytime ,it will take more than a casual commitment ,something that only government can do ,maybe |
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cosmodog
Since 06 Oct 2005
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 9:52 am |
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| Quote: | | Is your opinion that the accident could have escaped the containment? |
Yes, but I don't think anyone knows for sure if a China syndrome could really happen. The new plants on the drawing board are supposed to be much safer.
| Quote: | | But when the middle east can turn on the cheap carbon at anytime |
That will end someday and I think which ever country has next energy solutions will be in good shape. |
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shred_da_gorge
Since 12 Nov 2008
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 12:22 pm |
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| blowhard wrote: | | Being green for the sake of conservation instead of to be in style will be the real answer... |
Well said Jon. Lots of folks drive Priuses (Priusi?) here in Cali because of the tax break and carpool privilege. They peg the gas when the light turns green and charge their batteries when they slam on the brakes at the red light a quarter mile away. I chuckle when they walk out of the supermarket with locally-grown organics double-bagged in plastic. (Though I suppose we're all hypocrites to some degree).
Last year I tore the leaking solar hot water heater off my roof that the previous owner installed under the tax breaks of the mid-70's. Sold off the copper for a bunch of dough but not enough to cover replacement. Next year I'll install a 3 kW PV system (under the tax breaks of the mid-00's). Yeah, my behavior's bought by the gov't. |
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 3:04 pm |
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yeah, i've never really understood the opposition to nukes. outside of the Soviet Union it's never killed anyone, has zero correlation with cancer rates, and the fuel is dirt cheap.
yeah, i guess the waste doesn't magically disappear - but industrial society produces all sorts of waste products that need to be sequestered in a safe fashion. that track record of keeping humans safe from nuclear waste is much, much higher than it is for other toxic compounds.
my take is that when the vietnam war ended, the protestors needed some excuse to keep gathering together and doing their thing, so they decided to go with "no nukes" as a rallying cry. (actually, not so much a guess as how a "professional protestor"/hippie type explained his life to me). |
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forrest
Since 21 Jun 2005
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 4:23 pm |
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I think the nucs are coming, or at least one of them. They are not perfect and nuclear waste is some scary ass shit. Not so sure about the whole outside of russia thing, one of the most polluted sites in the western hemisphere is in Washington..the site of nuclear weapons processing plants.. eg hanford.
For the record, the only purchases for the non-essentially HT are building supplies and a projector, which will use less power than my existing TV. All low voc compounds, sustainable flooring, carpeting, high efficiency windows, 800 watt subwoofer. Oops, ok, forget about the 800 watt sub
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Mon Dec 14, 09 5:56 pm |
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| i believe nuclear weapons processing is a different deal entirely from the nuclear power industry. different government oversight, different waste management, etc. |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
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| Tue Dec 15, 09 8:26 am |
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| pjc wrote: | | i believe nuclear weapons processing is a different deal entirely from the nuclear power industry. different government oversight, different waste management, etc. |
ya the gov and nukes 50 yrs. ago dudes were treating it a lot different then.
Same with DDT in the 60's they sprayed it on 1000 times stronger than it needed to be ,fuked up yer eggs ,but rid us of malaria.
More people die from malaria than any other diesese
yet just spraying a 999 times diluted solution around thier huts would stop
this,but
we don't think they deserve it?
not me,
I think mankind can save ourselves ,
not everyone is homer simpsom
Remember that thing in the sky that goes around the earth 
is nuclear |
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Tue Dec 15, 09 8:58 am |
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| How well did that solar water heater work? Would love to implement some solar but house faces wrong direction for PV |
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2027 Posts
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| Tue Dec 15, 09 9:03 am |
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| pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | | How well did that solar water heater work? Would love to implement some solar but house faces wrong direction for PV |
they work best for a swimming pool
because it's summer when you use it
20 yrs. ago we had a small pool it was $350 a month in propane
my pal had pipes on his roof ,his cost was $0
we only had a heated pool for a couple months  |
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