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				pdxmonkeyboy
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 16 May 2006 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 1:20 pm     | 
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				 	  | kochease wrote: | 	 		  Whats with certified pre-owned car bullshit anyway.  Its still freakin used and beat to shit by the previous owner.  
 
 
The dealer "says" they checked this and that from head to toe and its a great used rolling turd.............Its the same as saying I have a pre-certified girlfriend, She has been Checked under the hood and is  pre-certified been fucked by another guy     
 
 
Dealers are all scammers because there are so many idiots to fall for there B.S.  Its sucks that one has to hassle the bejesus out of them to keep from getting ripped off.   
 
 
F.Y.I- I will pre-certify your girlfriend for free          | 	  
 
 
the difference is typically that pre-owned vehicles come with a factory warranty.. sometimes better than the original warranty.  
 
 
 
I finally decided on the used car that I want to buy..or more accurately, had made for me.  
 
 
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/001-Fifth-Gear-Subaru-WRX_171071.htm  
 
 
 
Oh my.....B-B-B-Bad ASS!!! | 
			 
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				typhoon
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 02 Sep 2009 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 2:21 pm     | 
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				| they all suck | 
			 
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				kochease
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 03 Jul 2008 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 2:45 pm     | 
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				| Can I get a warranty with my pre-certified girlfriend saying she won't break down before I trade her in....... | 
			 
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				Moto
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 03 Sep 2006 
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				Still a gojo pimp! 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 3:01 pm     | 
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				 	  | kochease wrote: | 	 		  | Can I get a warranty with my pre-certified girlfriend saying she won't break down before I trade her in....... | 	  
 
 
I'm sure someone would be willing to pre-certify her    _________________ Still rockin gojos, *ssless chaps, and ankle weights! | 
			 
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				Kraemer
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 24 Apr 2006 
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				jasonq
			
			 
			
				 
				Since 12 Jan 2009 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 3:31 pm     | 
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				one option no one has mentioned is buy new, but skip the dealer.  Go thru an auto broker.  I used the one my credit union recommended.  told them the cars and options i was interested in.  they went and found them.  Told me the prices for all of them.  I picked one.  They met me at my credit union with the car, paid them. done.   they charged $500 for the service.  Sounds pricey, but the price they got me was much lower than i would have got on my own.  they typically check dealers in id, wa, or, and ca.  my car was brought in from out of state, and of coarse they dicker on price for a living.  So even after paying their fee, i was still way ahead, and didn't step foot in a dealer, and did everthing by phone and email.  No charge unless you actually buy.
 
 
i would definitely go the broker route if i was buying new again.  
 
 
to answer the obvious follow-up question.  Yes, i have heard of a similar service for girlfriends, but it is not generally legal, but there are some certain circumstances in Nevada where it is.  And of coarse, what happens in Thailand, stays in Thailand. | 
			 
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				Moto
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 03 Sep 2006 
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				Still a gojo pimp! 
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				 Mon Oct 05, 09 7:53 pm     | 
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				Don't forget about dealer incentive financing.  That can be a huge money saver.  I know that Toyota had some good deals on financing - some plans as low as 0%.  If you take into consideration the value of the reduced financing - it can be cheaper to buy new - rather than buying one or two years old.  
 
 
As far as getting the best price.  Internet is the way to go.  Find two different vehicles you like - say a Rav 4 and a Honda CRV - then go to yahoo.com - then autos - there is a place where you can get a quote from like five dealerships with just a click of a button.  Play each dealer against the other - and then play manufacturer against the other - if one gives you financing then go to the other manuf. and tell them you want dealer financing.  Just haggle back and forth.  Then go with the lowest price.  But make sure you ask them to include everything - don't let them try and sneak anything at the end like etched glass bull shit.  Then when you get there - ask them again - what is the out the door price - any shinanigans and you walk. _________________ Still rockin gojos, *ssless chaps, and ankle weights! | 
			 
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				trailboss
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 08 Aug 2006 
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				 	  | pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | 	 		  I'll nominate the FUCKING WORST... BROADWAY TOYOTA.
 
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I'll second that nomination. | 
			 
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				Sasquatch
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 09 Mar 2005 
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				genek
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 21 Jul 2006 
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				 	  | trailboss wrote: | 	 		   	  | pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | 	 		  I'll nominate the FUCKING WORST... BROADWAY TOYOTA.
 
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I'll second that nomination. | 	  
 
 
I'll 3rd that. Took us on a test drive, we go inside to start filling out paperwork at cheap price that they'd already offered and all of a sudden the car we test drove is "sold". They can give us similar one for a bit more. Total BS. Went to Beaverton's Russ Toyota instead and didn't have problems there and got same cheap price after some haggling. _________________ The Slider Project, LLC
 
Support the cause! 
 
http://www.sliderproject.com/ | 
			 
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				pdxmonkeyboy
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 16 May 2006 
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				 Tue Oct 06, 09 3:13 pm     | 
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				 	  | genek wrote: | 	 		   	  | trailboss wrote: | 	 		   	  | pdxmonkeyboy wrote: | 	 		  I'll nominate the FUCKING WORST... BROADWAY TOYOTA.
 
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I'll second that nomination. | 	  
 
 
I'll 3rd that. Took us on a test drive, we go inside to start filling out paperwork at cheap price that they'd already offered and all of a sudden the car we test drove is "sold". They can give us similar one for a bit more. Total BS. Went to Beaverton's Russ Toyota instead and didn't have problems there and got same cheap price after some haggling. | 	  
 
 
Classic bullshit.  They suck over there.  
 
 
them.. "oh, I'm sorry you don't qualify for toyota's 0% financing" 
 
 
 me... "what the hell are you talking about I have a 780 credit score" 
 
 
them.."well thats not what this shows"
 
 
me "Oh yeah, let me see it then because I have my credit report right here" (pull out credit report)
 
 
them "we aren't supposed to show people their credit reports, let me see if there is something we can work out".  
 
 
me "yeah, you go do that.  And if I can't get the financing I'm walking" 
 
 
 
tadah...all of a sudden I qualify. 
 
 
Yeah, I'm an idiot.  They use some magical credit report company. | 
			 
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				eric
			
			 
			
				 
				Since 13 Jan 2006 
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				 Tue Oct 06, 09 6:27 pm     | 
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				| Pulled the trigger.  I had a very good experience with the Tonkin internet sales person.   He wanted to play ball and was aggressive in beating all competing offers. Griffith in The Dalles was good as well. | 
			 
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				grinder
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 27 Apr 2008 
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				Gotta say - I got a pretty square deal at Vancouver Toyota.  One dealership only, family owned, no lies - they got me a Prius when no one else could and were totally transparent in the deal.  These guys are building the most sustainable Toyota facility on the west coast!
 
 
Also had a good experience buying my Element at Griffith in The Dalles. | 
			 
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				Nak
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 19 May 2005 
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				 Tue Oct 06, 09 7:29 pm     | 
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				Nomination for REALLY DAMN BAD Service Dept: Beaverton Honda
 
 
My Wife's Honda died intermittently while I was on a trip, so she goes in to Beaverton Honda. They tell her there's a $100 diagnostic fee that's fully refundable if they can't figure out what's wrong with the car. Sounds good... An hour or so later they come out with $2500 worth of work that the car absolutely NEEDS, none of it having anything at all to do with the engine dieing. They tell her it's all safety related stuff, and they can't let her have her car back if she won't pay to fix it. She gets hold of me & I tell her to tell them to go to hell. She has to fight them for over an hour to get her car back & get her $100 back. (They hadn't even bothered to try and figure out why it was dieing.) Total time wasted: four hours.  I got home & checked the car out. NONE of what they said was wrong with the car was true. Nothing. I replaced the fuel pump relay, which was a known issue with Hondas, for $70 and the problem was fixed. Lying Bastards. | 
			 
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				mschulz
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 29 May 2007 
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				 	  | Nak wrote: | 	 		  Nomination for REALLY DAMN BAD Service Dept: Beaverton Honda
 
 
 I replaced the fuel pump relay, which was a known issue with Hondas, for $70 and the problem was fixed. Lying Bastards. | 	  
 
 
I think the service departments are the worst of the whole process.  It is bad enough they try and screw you at the front end, but then every time you take it in for service, they give to you again.  Bastards.    _________________ MS | 
			 
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				windmtnpete
			
			 
			
				  
				Since 13 Sep 2009 
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				 	  | grinder wrote: | 	 		  | Gotta say - I got a pretty square deal at Vancouver Toyota.  One dealership only, family owned, no lies | 	  
 
 
I've been doing rehab on car interiors for more than 30 years.... worked for most all the car dealers in the pdx area.  Vancouver Toyota has ALWAYS been my all-time favorite dealership to work for because of the way they treat people and the knowledgable staff.  
 
 
Just like anything else, you need to connect with the right folks.  I would highly recommend Michael Furey.... sold me a new Sienna few years ago.  He's an awesome surfer dude from Hawaii (although, he insists wasn't really THAT good).... the most easy going, laid back sales dude you've ever met...  many, many years of experience doing what he does best.... specializing in giving discounts for new Toyota's... he's da man!!!
 
 
Also, I highly recommend the service department at Vancouver Toyota... the service manager's name is David Griffin, formerly an award winning  mechanic  there for over 20 years... knows his stuff !!  Service advisors Chris or Chuck will take care of you like no other... they absolutely ROCK,  the most friendly people in the business.
 
 
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